Yasser Seirawan: “A Radical Solution - Redux"

by ChessBase
12/3/2016 – During the World Chess Championship match, Yasser Seirawan's article "A Radical Solution" was causing reactions from all sides. In a second article, the grandmaster is addressing his audience for a second time and specifies his criticism - regarding the format of the match. "A Radical Solution - Redux"...

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Hearty congratulations to Magnus on winning the World Chess Championship match and retaining his title.  Also happy birthday.  Congratulations too to Sergey on proving himself a most worthy Challenger.  It was a gripping match.  Bravo to you both.  My criticism, and other people’s, over Game 12 will soon be forgotten because the Rapid Chess tiebreaks brought us the joyous thrills that Game 12 so severely lacked.  Long live the Champion!

I am writing this article as a follow-up to the previous one, titled “A Radical Solution.”  Most importantly because I simply want to thank the readers, you the fans, for your feedback.  Sincerely appreciated.  Truly without your interest there would be no Championships.  It is the fans that make the game.  A fact that we should always remember.

The feedback was quite positive.  Thank you to each and every one of you for contributing to the discussion.  The radical concept of an odd number of match games with draw odds for the player who has an extra game with the Black pieces was not dismissed out of hand.  Even a majority found merit in the suggestion.  Even so, a greater majority preferred a longer match of 18 games.  I do not disagree.  I too much prefer a longer match.  In fact, I find it perplexing that in the penultimate qualifying stage, the Candidates’ Tournament has 14 rounds of play, while the pinnacle event in the whole cycle, the Championship Match itself, is merely 12 games.

Other worthy suggestions included the idea that in case of a tied match “pairs of Classical Games” should be played until a winner emerged.  The problem with such a practical-sounding solution is that it is impossible in real life for the organizers to commit themselves to the possibility of an open-ended match.  For starters, leasing space in a theater would be an enormous problem.  For how long should the organizer keep the space?  I know from my own personal experience in 1987, when Seattle bid for the WC match (Seville won the bid), that it was difficult in the extreme to get a beautiful venue, the Paramount Theater, for 24 games.  Seattle is a marvelous city with many facilities as well.  For the organizer, a fixed number of games is mandatory.

Another majority position from fans that surprised me greatly was that an even number of games was fine but that in case of a tie, after preference for an 18-game match, the defending Champion scoring 9-9 should keep his crown.  The argument in favor of giving the defending Champion draw-odds seems to be that the Challenger has to beat the Champion.  Why?  Because the Champion is the best player and if the Challenger merely ties with the Champion the Challenger has not shown himself to be superior.  An interesting viewpoint to be sure, but one I find to be bogus.

Once again I stress that I’m a critic of the current system.  I don’t like it at all.  In fact, I find the current cycle to be plainly stupid.  Why?  Please, take the following grandmasterly challenge, I double-dare you:  explain the current system to a good friend who doesn’t play chess.  Explain that the Champion, presumably the best chess player in the world, sits outside of a two-year-long cycle of events, biding his time, waiting for a Challenger to emerge.  That there is a series of four “Swiss Open” tournaments with hundreds of players, called “Continental Championships”, played at a different time-control, that act as qualifier events for a big-money event called the “World Cup.”  That it, in turn, is a 128-player “Knock-out” event featuring different time-controls, as well as tie-breakers that qualify the winners for a “Candidates’ Tournament” which is a “double-round-robin” with a different, slower Classical time-control.  The Candidates’ Tournament itself features a field of eight players.  Where the runner-up of the previous WC Match is joined by the World Cup qualifiers, some of the highest rated players in the world and a wildcard player chosen by the organizers.  Be sure to emphasize such terms as “Swiss Open”, “Knockout Matches”, “Double-Round-Robin”, as well as describing the different time-controls, and toss in an “Armageddon” once or twice to be sure that your friend is listening.  Don’t forget that tiebreaks are not used in the Candidates’ tournament.  Instead, do mention, please, that tying for first by losing more games than your rival is better than going undefeated, and I guarantee you that you will have thoroughly confused your friend.  And quite possibly yourself as well.

Even worse than the above challenge of explaining the current cycle to a friend, imagine yourself as an organizer of an event in the cycle.  You would like to have a prestigious elite event played in your home city.  How exciting.  You’d like the participation of the best players in the world.  Clear.  Who is the best player in the world?  Why, the World Champion, of course.  But the World Champion, the biggest draw in chess, is out of the cycle entirely.  Again, he is waiting for a Challenger to emerge.  It is crazy.  Why create such fantastic competitions that bar the world’s best player, the champ, from competing in any of them?  That strikes me as, dare I say it, counter-productive.

Fortunately for the world of chess, we have been lucky, blessed actually, Magnus has been a wonderful, active Champion.  He has not sat on his laurels.  Not at all.  He has played in the most challenging, competitive tournaments open to him and he has acquitted himself as a true Champion.  He has earned the admiration of all chess fans.  But let us say, for the sake of argument, that Magnus was less successful than he has been or, worse still, less active.  Imagine that Magnus takes a sabbatical from the chess tour for a year.  That would be terrible for chess fans.  In the meanwhile, the Challenger faces the whole world in his quest for a single spot.  Consider the route taken by Sergey Karjakin:  he played in the World Cup 128-player Knockout, surviving some extremely difficult, pressure-packed rounds, made it to the Finals and, incredibly, won matches by winning on demand.  This bravura performance earned him the right to be in the Candidates’ Tournament.  The strongest event in the world, which he won, undefeated, and he became Challenger.  Hasn’t he proven himself to be the World’s best player?  Especially as the Champion has been forcibly absent?  Or on sabbatical.  Why would the Challenger have to give the Champion an advantage of draw-odds?  After such a harrowing journey, hasn’t he earned fair and equal playing conditions at least?  This is why in my Radical Solution article I did not suggest that the Champion be awarded draw odds; rather, I suggested that it would be the drawing of lots that determined which player received draw-odds, as well as an extra game with the Black pieces.

To his enormous credit, Magnus himself has expressed dissatisfaction with the current cycle.  He has called for the creation of a more “modern cycle”, without offering exact details of such a vision.  One thing is definite:  such a call is most assuredly not in his own best self-interest.  In a modern cycle, he may find himself having to earn a place at the final table, not enjoying the seeding of a defending Champion.

In my view, the stakeholders in the world of chess need to sit down and rethink the cycle in its entirety.  They need to analyze ruthlessly what events would be in the best interests of chess, the fans, the players, the organizers, and which offer fair, equal conditions for every competitor.  I hope that my two articles will help kick-start just such a discussion.  A discussion for which both the World Champion and the Women’s World Champion have openly called.  The chess world moves slowly.  If the cycle is not to be reconsidered in its entirety, I do hope, at least, that a radical solution for our crown jewel, the World (Classical) Chess Championship match, will no longer feature a tiebreak.

For myself, I’d consider it a massive improvement if the next World Championship Match were a 15-game contest with the player who is given the extra game with the Black pieces at the drawing of lots ceremony having draw-odds.  At every moment in such a match a player would be trailing and would have to fight for the win.  Tame draws would favor only the player in the lead.  Victory would come only in Classical Games and not through Rapid Chess, Blitz or an Armageddon game.  Lest anyone think that I would deny the chess world the thrills of Rapid Chess, I would not.  That is why there is a World Rapid Chess Championship which is called by that name.  It is coming up soon.  Be sure to tune in to that different form of chess.  But let us keep the three forms of chess, Classical, Rapid and Blitz, separate from one another.


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jajalamapratapri jajalamapratapri 12/3/2016 10:45
If the match is tied they both lose and the candidates runner-up becomes WC.
MikeyBoy MikeyBoy 12/3/2016 10:44
Martas

When this match finished at 6-6, Karjakin had 1 win with black, Carlsen had 0.

That is because Carlsen won with white.

OqmoXwVSPZe28ly OqmoXwVSPZe28ly 12/3/2016 10:15
I like it exactly as it was. Back in the day you didn't have live streaming of chess to millions of people worldwide. If chess is to move into the mainstream and continue to gain popularity time controls must get shorter. Why defend the past?

I found this match was perfect. Karjarkin is an excellent defender and his strategy to just defend and hope for a counter attack almost paid off and he is not the first underdog to try this. Carlsen himself likes to play for and convert minute advantages, and likewise knew that he would likely cream Karjarkin at slower time controls. For all that 6-6 classical was not a forgone conclusion, and there were a few miraculous saves by Karjarkin.

The rapid was so compelling. Didn't 20% of Norway's population watch its entirely? I was watching it from work here in California. I only really followed the classical games when it was nearing a time control. And everyone is talking about the beautiful final position of the match. Really shorter time controls produce mistakes, and mistakes are what lead to mates and compelling viewing.

Finally too, many knock Carlsen vs Karjarkin as boring. But really perhaps elite classical chess skill has just progressed so far that the likelihood of draws, which should be the outcome of any game between accurate players, is a lot higher. At the same time matches must be shorter. The only remedy at this point is a tournament setting where you have to take risks to outscore those not sitting in front of you, or progressively reducing the time controls until mistakes start to be made.

mdamien mdamien 12/3/2016 10:08
The chess world is richer, having you Yasser. I certainly hope, though, that chess never completely abandons its history to grab at the sponsorship allure of some tennis system where there's really no world champion, but just a number one player who is duking it out with the rest of players that year. You ask, has not Karjakin, as the Challenger in the current system, proven himself the world's best player? Absolutely not. This is the tournament or ELO mentality that the world championship should be shielded from. The challenger could beat every other player without a single loss, in a hundred games while the world champion sat on his laurels, but he has not beaten the world champion and therefore he is not the world's best player. I do concede that the champion must defend his title regularly: at least every two years seems reasonable. Morphy may still have been the best player after he retired, but since that proposition could not be tested by a challenger, the chess world had to move on.

If organizers want the world champion in their tournaments, simply make it worth his while.
fixpont fixpont 12/3/2016 09:27
"- and the tie break is how many check each player do"

Oh my god, please stop these nonsense.
lbtr74aao lbtr74aao 12/3/2016 09:18
lbtr74aao Just now

after playing 12 games and the result is eqal why not playing 2 games in the same time
- each player play with both color
- and the tie break is how many check each player do
fcotovalm fcotovalm 12/3/2016 08:29
I totally agree with Seirawan. Magnus demonstrated his abilities in rapid chess, but not in classical chess
koko48 koko48 12/3/2016 08:11
@Rgorn Don't hate

The chess world, and the world, needs radical ideas....One look at the status quo (in both) should be enough proof of that
rehsupdoow rehsupdoow 12/3/2016 07:34
In the world sport sense, Chess is most like hockey or baseball or basketball, in that it is a 'rapid' play format where the players/teams can play as frequently as 4/5 times per week, giving a 'season' in which a lot of games can be played. Those physical sports do NOT give last's year's champ a bye into the finals. Instead the top teams at the end of the season play for the cup in a series of elimination matches. And we often hear, "There WILL be a new champion this year!!

Chess should have an annual champ. This would make chess more exciting and more interesting for the viewers and would promote chess better.

There would be a season wherein the players have to play a minimum number of games in tournaments. They are free to choose their tournaments, but they must reach the minimum number. Tournaments would have to meet a minimum strength, Cat 18 or 20 minimum. And running September to March/April ...

Then the top 8 players by rating (the champ should be top 10 in the world) play matches in elimination rounds. We need a method whereby every game is won or lost. I will leave the format here to my fellow commentators. But NO BLITZ!! ;-) Maybe a tie-break second game, same day, with one hour each ...?

The important thing, IMO, is to have an annual champion.
rgorn rgorn 12/3/2016 07:08
I hate radicals and I hate their solutions. All these proposals aim at introducing an artificial imbalance to guarantee a winner after a fixed number of games. That's as phony as is deciding the world championship with rapid and blitz in case of a tie. The only genuine solution is to accept the tie as a tie, split the price money and maintain the status quo because the challenger wasn't able to overcome the champion. Period.
koko48 koko48 12/3/2016 06:53
The problem with keeping the Classical and Rapid chess separate, is that the World Rapid Chess Championship does not receive the same publicity as the World (Classical) Chess Championship....The eyes of the world are not on the World Rapid Championships, and it is not considered the 'real' world chess championship.

And again, the Classical games nowadays (especially in short match play, where every mistake or lost game can swing the match) have just become terribly boring for the most part....Too many of them are just non-games....When the eyes of the world are on the match I think you need to show the game's best and most interesting facet - which is Rapid Chess

We've seen this example twice already.... First in Anand-Gelfand 2012, where the games didn't get interesting until the rapid tiebreaks (which kept the viewing public mesmerized)

Some people thought Anand and Gelfand were just playing too solidly in the classical games because they were older players, and that this new generation of young guys would play more exciting, interesting classical games...But they didn't....They also, for the most part, played like 'old guys'....This is the paralysis that too much time, too much comp theory, and the pressure to not create too much imbalance in a match of this importance, will cause

And I don't see that solved with an 18 game classical match (many of those games would still be GM draws), nor do I see it solved with the odd number of games, draw odds idea. Not only does that confer too great an advantage to the side with draw odds, it still is not going to make the player with the temporary disadvantage play for a win every game....Most likely he/she will still play super solidly most games and 'pick his spots' to play for a win

However it's an interesting proposal, and if it's implemented maybe the the draw odds should go to the champion....Not only is that in keeping with chess tradition, that is also how it works in boxing....If the fight is a draw they give it to the champion, not the challenger....the idea is that the challenger must defeat the champion decisively to gain the title

Keeping Rapid and Classical separate is just more blind traditionalism imo, and it doesn't consider how the modern game has changed....I see nothing wrong with having the World Chess Championship contested over both classical and rapid formats, because a true champion should be able to prove him(her)self at both

And since the eyes of the world are on the World Chess Championship, I think it helps to show the best face of chess to the world....The most beautiful, exciting, interesting games

The rapids saved this match imo, just like they did in 2012....Before the tiebreaks, the casual fan and the non-chess playing public probably saw this match as yet another example of chess being boring and drawish
elista_endgame elista_endgame 12/3/2016 06:41
totally disagree with yasser. Magnus was also had to won candidates tournament before became a challenger, same path as Karjakin and any other previous challenger had. And those tournaments, world cup, grand prix, etc are not like they don't have prize money and they just have to participate to qualify for candidates. They can take those tournaments like any other tournamet (bit with much bigger prize money), but fortunately the winner will becoming a candidate. And draw odd for black is very huge advantage for black, sounds very stupid for me.

And for those who suggest rapid first before the game is doesnt make any differences, the winner basically deterimined in rapid match, which is stupid for Classical World Chess Championship. We have rapid/blits tournament world championship in few weeks.

I have some of ideas about WC format

1. More games. Challenger must win to dethrone the champion, no need tiebreak. This way we won't see what we saw Karjakin did, total defensive minded. All games would be very interesting. The current champion has proven himself to be able beat previous champion. So the challenger must beat him if want to be a champion.

2. Still, more games, 12 is too short, but with tiebreaks. The tiebreak is 1(or can be more) game with classical time control and 3 or 4 random moves as starting position, example 1.c6 e5 2.e4... black to move, flip coin to determine who playing white/black. If score still even then again the challenger fail, the champion remains as the WC.

3. This one rather extreme. WC format with only 1 brutal game with very long time control like 10-24hrs with increment ofc. Cannot pause the time during sleep, shower, breakfast. No tiebreak, challenger must win. This way cannot say it's like a coin flip, because players have a lot of time to make the best move, probably will produce the strongest WC game ever (most strongest moves). This way the match will be very brutal but probably bad for spectators and organizers because have to provide beds to sleep and things lol
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Martas Martas 12/3/2016 06:25
MikeBoy
* 16 games, with a rest day every fourth day.
* In the event of a tie, player with most black wins is champion
* In the event of a tie and same number of wins with black, The reigning champion would retain title.
* If all games are draw, challenger gets the lion share of the money

A little math, in case of 8:8 both players have always same amount of black and black wins
MikeyBoy MikeyBoy 12/3/2016 06:04
=== The Tomas Mike System ===

Mixing my earlier idea with the one from Tomas Yttling:

* 16 games, with a rest day every fourth day.
* In the event of a tie, player with most black wins is champion
* In the event of a tie and same number of wins with black, The reigning champion would retain title.
* If all games are draw, challenger gets the lion share of the money

This also avoid the issue raised by another commentator below:
"The problem with Yasser Seirawan's system is that, for exemple, with 13 games, if the two players make 13 draws, the decisive factor of the match will have been, in fact, the initial drawing of lots. "

It also incentivizes the champion to not just got for draws as pointed out by another User:
"In addition, you could also give more money to the challenger if the match ends in a tie as this will also put extra pressure on the champion and will make him think twice before start playing for a draw in most games. "
caliche2016 caliche2016 12/3/2016 06:00
Yasser, thank you for this and the previous article, it opened up a very interesting debate about the WCCH format. I read most comments too and like you I think there is a more or less clear concensus about a longer match, perhaps 15 games is the magic number. Also, there is some concensus about not mixing classical with rapid or blitz.

Now, in regards to the draw-odds suggestion, as somebody said before, it simply does not seem appropiate that a player can become champion by drawing a last, decisive game with the Black pieces, it does not really add legitimacy to new title holder whoever might be, and the drawing of lots becomes an excesively critical factor.

In regards to the opinion that the champion retains the crown in case of a tie being bogus, well I want to question that: again, as somebody said before -and I fully agree with-, the champion, before being champion, was a challenger and had to fight for the title under the same conditions (a tie=the champ keeps the title), in other words, he too would have been under the pressure of beating someone that could keep the title if the score was even.

The most serious problem of the champion keeping the title idea, is that he could use this to openly play for a draw in as many games as possible, but you can put a lot of pressure on the champ too by giving the challenger one more game as White. Why do we have the drawing of lots before every major tournament? Because one more game as White is highly desirable, it is a plus that in this case, will compensate the benefit of being champion.

In addition, you could also give more money to the challenger if the match ends in a tie as this will also put extra pressure on the champion and will make him think twice before start playing for a draw in most games.
Petrarlsen Petrarlsen 12/3/2016 05:47
The problem with Yasser Seirawan's system is that, for exemple, with 13 games, if the two players make 13 draws, the decisive factor of the match will have been, in fact, the initial drawing of lots. Exaggerating a bit (but not much, in fact), in this case, the most prestigious title in chess would be essentially decided by a drawing of lots. For me, it isn't satisfying at all. This idea is interesting and could be the starting point of a new reflexion, but, in its current form, in my opinion, it doesn't work at all.
doti doti 12/3/2016 05:47
I think my proposal is better.
I know... there are many pros and cons, but from spectator point of view this is the best and it assure the most entertaining match.
Play the rapid first, at the beginning.
In this case, who will lose the rapid match, will lose the mach in case of 6-6 and any draw is a lost chance for him.
You can call it, doti system.
Tomas Yttling Tomas Yttling 12/3/2016 05:44
I'd propose the following:

16 games, with a rest day every fourth day. That way the whole tournament would span a modest 21 days, same as the current format. There would be one final rest day before the (perhaps) all important final round.

The reigning champion would have draw odds in case of a tie.
Martas Martas 12/3/2016 05:33
15 games match with draw odds for randomly chosen player - I would not like to see current world champion loosing title in a match with 15 draws. Also I think if a new champion get the title this way, the prestige of the title would be gone.
Regarding system with a match of champion and challenger - chess is not the only sport with system like this, box is very similar. Other systems - tennis lives without world champion, it has number 1 player. For many individual sports the most prestigious tournament is Olympic Games with limited amount of participants from one country.
Using systems for collective sports - main difference of individual and collective sport is much quicker changing on the top due to rotations in teams. Therefore using such system for individual sport brings more chaos and higher probability that world champion is not the best player, thus loosing prestige of the title.
Just think about the fact that challenger was not a top5 player, you could have a system where the final match is time to time between 2 players out of top5, such a world champion would not be respected same way as current world champion or his predecessors.
sranj2016 sranj2016 12/3/2016 05:27
Correct RADICAL Solution:

Play 12 games of Classical, 12 games of Rapid and 12 games of Blitz to determine the Integrated World Champion, with scoring distribution ratio of 3:2:1.

The World Champion should be the aggregate best player in all formats.
The rapid games are also relevant in chess, gaining in popularity and should be included. Blitz adds another dimension and could be considered optional or a tiebreaker in this proposal. Currently Magnus is the best in all formats, if in future two different players emerge as the best in classical and rapid, there will be a split in acknowledging who is the best chess player. Hence it is better to have a combination of classical and rapid in the standard format.
fixpont fixpont 12/3/2016 05:17
My vote for rapid tie-break system BEFORE the classical games, winner of rapid has draw advantage in classical.
MikeyBoy MikeyBoy 12/3/2016 05:16
And totally agree with KevinC's comments!
MikeyBoy MikeyBoy 12/3/2016 05:14
I don't like this idea at all. If you are the lower rated player (or one with draw odds) you can just do a Kramnik 2000. I'd much prefer the idea from another user I saw posted recently during these discussions of the number of wins with black counting for more in the event of a tied score (So going into the last game, Karjakin would have actually been winning, forcing Carlsen to go for broke in the final game, which I believe he would have won if he had to). Yes, it would probably make players with white play a little bit more cautiously but the player with black would end up with a different mind-set and that would yield better games. I'd like someone to at least humor me and pilot this.
KevinC KevinC 12/3/2016 05:01
Yasser thinks that because the majority of 1200-players agree with him, that his idea is good? Sorry Yasser, your idea of an odd-numbered match is MORONIC, and still is now that you have doubled-down on it.

If this match has shown you, and even your legion of weak followers, who agree with you, anything, it is that draw odds confers a HUMONGOUS advantage. I would rather see the tie-break system than your STUPID idea.

Making the match longer is still the best solution, but my idea of a two-game classical playoff, similar to deuce in tennis is also better. You said, "The problem with such a practical-sounding solution is that it is impossible in real life for the organizers to commit themselves to the possibility of an open-ended match." Well, this IS the World Championship, and maybe they need to build in an extra 9 or 12 days during the planning to allow for 3 or 4 "deuces". There is still the chance that they draw all 8 games, but not super likely.

You are too enamored with your idea, which is literally THE worst of any that have been discussed. Please don't triple-down on your bad idea...it won't make it any better because you write a third article.
JiraiyaSama JiraiyaSama 12/3/2016 05:01
Why not have a 11 game World Championship with five games with the normal WCC time control and all the games thereafter with a 2-game blitz tiebreak in the case of a draw for each game, which will be replayed until the 2-game tiebreak is decided, thus determining a winner for each game. Like a penalty shootout.
treetown treetown 12/3/2016 04:49
Maybe it is time to abandon the notion that there is a world champion like a boxing champion. Consider tennis and golf: at times there are players who are dominant and show it over many grand slams and at other times, there are 3 or 4 players who are nearly equal.

Pros: top players would have an incentive to play the top players and big tournaments. Fans would see a lot of games between the top players. We wouldn't have the situation where a champion could just disappear between title defences.

Cons: There isn't a strong circuit like the golf and tennis circuit with grand slams and many lesser tournaments. Top notch round robins seem to always depend on some plutocrat to fund them. There just isn't the interest from sponsors.
tom fox tom fox 12/3/2016 04:03
I think Yasser's proposal of the longer match solution with an extra game that White must win is a good option. Otherwise, I like a tie-break formula in which the lower rated player would win (this is simple and would have favoured Karjakin - forcing Carlsen to play more aggressively in the final classical game (another of the formula would be victories with the black pieces). I believe that most chess fans prefer the concept of a defending champion, which has parallels in other sports, e.g. boxing. It has a great history and should not be changed in my opinion.