Carlsen: “Karjakin wants to become a martyr”

@lajosarpad: and don't take me wrong, discussion with you was useful to understand Hungarian concerns, I find them mostly valid (more then those you have against Slovakia), but without cooperation it will be very hard to work on them. And I don't mean I agree with your claims.

Greetings to Hungary. Before visiting any other country I recommend you to check it's law and habbits to avoid surprises. I expect asking you to accept or even tolerate that could be considered offensive, never mind.
Regarding your purifying dreams - you might check something about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_people_in_the_Czech_Republic ... or look into some areas in southern Slovakia where it was really hard to find somebody who understands slovak. And then you can check slovak minority in Hungary where it is also hard to find somebody who understands slovak. Otherwise your country is doing great job.

@Martas

"Your claim is simply wrong here, you forgot to mention countries like Japan."

Why should I have mentioned Japan? You have said there are multiple European countries. Is Japan a European country according to you? Or should I have had mentioned it among the interesting examples? Should I have listed all countries? Your quote above is unserious. Slovakia and Ukraine actively oppress the Hungarian minority. Ukraine oppresses its other minorities as well. Taking the citizenship of dual citizen is an egregious example from a plethora of other problems.

The Benes decrees were introduced with the aim of "purifying" Czehoslovakia from its unpure (non-Slavic) elements, such as Germans or Hungarians. The very fact that these decrees are still present in the body of the Slovakian legal system proves to me that Slovakia still has this goal of "purifying" itself of the lower races, such as Hungarians. With all this in view, it is unsurprising that you used a language that assumed my personal responsibility of whatever Hungary does or did (collective guilt, just like in the Benes decrees) and that you have not denounced any elements of anti-Hungarian oppression, except for the Benes decrees in the 40'ties, about which you have also acknowledged that they punished even the innocent.

So, with this being my last comment addressing you, I wish you all the best and may you find some wisdom.

@lajosarpad : both dual citizenship and Benes decree are topics which are matter of agreements between neighbor countries and contain significant economical factors. Rejecting this claim makes it impossible to find common agreement.

@lajosarpad: "Slovakia and Ukraine is accompanied by Andorra, Monaco from Europe. But there are more interesting countries there: North Korea, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Oman, Iran and even Belarus. Nevertheless, it is not a valid argument for an injustice that others apply it as well. "

Your claim is simply wrong here, you forgot to mention countries like Japan. Presence of countries like North Korea doesn't validate what you have in mind.

"There is no international convention which determines the nationality or citizenship status of a person. This is defined exclusively by national laws, which can vary and conflict with each other. Multiple citizenship arises because different countries use different, and not necessarily mutually exclusive, criteria for citizenship. Colloquially, people may "hold" multiple citizenship but, technically, each nation makes a claim that a particular person is considered its national."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_citizenship

To Lajosarpad

I fully understand you when you don’t want to answer me. Your answers would show the illogicality of your so-called logical thinking. In addition, not admitting your mistake is a sign of your low self-esteem. Maybe it’s just because of your ignorance of world events and in your own country. Ethics is not your field, but you can easily find missing commas in the writings of others.

You are more of a computer than a human being. With a large amount of data that you constantly enter, you try to win conversations, with whomever you do it, in vain. Maybe your processor is slow and your memory too small? I wish you happy moments and a life, in front of a mirror, where you will find a human figure who truly understands you.

regards, Arzi

Lajosarpad:"@arzi I have read your first comment addressed to me since my comments written yesterday. It seems that you are no longer able to have an argument-based discourse, because, while you have used foul language, you failed to point out why you said that I'm lying. I have repeatedly asked you to explain it, yet, instead of explaining it, your comment contained hostility only. As a result, I will optimize my time by not reading your further comments. Happy trolling!"

To Lajosarpad, a liar who accuses of trolling and who CANNOT ADMIT his own mistake. Shame on you, an idiot!

As you can see from these writings, you LIED about me to other writer. Simply. You could have said to me:" Sorry, my mistake, accidentally done." I would have answered to you:" No problem, it is ok." You refused to do this little thing and acted like an idiot. You have also accused other writer about lying and that is why I have to use the same word also to you. Your rules. So, you are both a liar and an idiot. Totally correct solution, the truth.

5/18/2022 06:29 arzi to lajsarpad
"The fact that there are marginal numbers of Nazis in that country is a silly excuse. Russia should attack every country around the world with the same excuse, because there are "Nazis" everywhere, even in Finland, Russia, USA, Hungary...everywhere"

5/19/2022 06:54 lajosarpad to sunrisek
"Arzi chooses not to acknowledge that there are nazi groups in Ukraine and there is a nazi issue in Ukraine."

@Martas "it applies to czechs same way as to hungarians"

You refer to this: https://spectator.sme.sk/c/20051430/citizenship-act-deprived-855-people-of-slovak-citizenship-in-four-years.html

An injustice is not validated by another injustice. So, depriving Hungarians from Slovakian citizenship because of having Hungarian citizenship is severely discriminatory and the fact that this same problem affected Czechs is similarly discriminatory.

"And Slovakia with Ukraine are by far not the only european countries with this law.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-that-don-t-recognize-dual-citizenship.html"

Slovakia and Ukraine is accompanied by Andorra, Monaco from Europe. But there are more interesting countries there: North Korea, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Oman, Iran and even Belarus. Nevertheless, it is not a valid argument for an injustice that others apply it as well.

@Martas "I think you are same type of nationalist as Karjakin."

Good! I think you are a nazi supporter and an anti-Hungarian chauvinist.

"Principle of single citizenship is applied in Slovakia since separation of Czechoslovakia, it has nothing to do with Benes decrees"

I recognize that you had reasons to believe that I assumed that the Benes decrees were in causal relationship with depriving the Slovakian citizenship of dual citizens. But I did not meant it that way. I have pointed out two problems about Slovakia, without assuming causal relationship between the two.

"Benes decrees (inactive law)"

Some points about it:

1. Inactive or not, why is it not completely abolished, after all, it provided the legal basis to collectively punish Germans and Hungarians, so it is an uncivilized legal work of the kind that every civilized country abolishes. So, if Slovakia is a civilized country, then it will stop arguing for the maintenance of the decrees (inactive or not) and it will simply abolish it.
2. As we can see from the case of Bosits, these decrees are still used to deprive innocent people from their properties for being Hungarian and people who were born long after WWII are persecuted (Bosits was born in 1966)
3. If I was Slovakian, I would be deeply ashamed to have such laws.

@Martas It is ridiculous that you equate the alleged lack of funds of minorities in Ukraine and a historically accurate, but provocative statement made by the prime minister with the existential threat Hungarians have to face in Ukraine. It is also ridiculous to view the statement made by the prime minister as a threat. If a Croatian is insulted by that statement, that's understandable, but viewing this as a threat of war or as a territorial claim is a total misunderstanding of the geopolitical reality.

"You exaggerate the nazi problem of Ukraine, trying to avoid same problem in Hungary, and I don't mean marginal parties in Hungary, active opening of problem with Benes decrees is related to problem with nazi history of Hungaria. "

You know this is a false statement. I did not try to avoid talking about nazis in Hungary. I have even pointed out that the Mi Hazánk party is a nazi party in Hungary. You have always ignored that. I suppose you did so intentionally. But that's your problem. You also know that I do not exagerate the problem, as there were quite a lot of sources that I have presented about the Azov battalion being a nazi group, I have shown the connections between the Ukrainian government and the Right Sector, I have pointed out that Bandera, a nazi is the national hero, the role model in Ukraine and that there were anti-Hungarian riots and threats, even death lists. These are the facts.

The Benes decrees were not introduced because of some Hungarian misadvantures during WWII. They were introduced by Benes with the aim to create a purely Slavic state. And these decrees did not try to find war criminals on a factual basis, but applied collective guilt on all Germans and Hungarians.

@Martas But let me make another point. If there were more serious abuses in Hungary against the minority than the issues Hungarians face in Slovakia or Ukraine, that would not validate the oppression Hungarians face in Ukraine and Slovakia. Yet, as far as I know, being a minority in Hungary is much better than being a Hungarian in Ukraine. There were no anti-Slovakian riots in Hungary, using slogans like "knives for Slovakians", yet, in Ukraine there were such anti-Hungarian riots. I do not know of any Slovakian in Hungary who lost his/her citizenship for having a Slovakian citizenship. This happens with any Hungarian in Slovakia who dares to have a Hungarian citizenship as well. This is state terror applied against a minority.

"Overall you blame Ukraine because of nationalizm while you completely avoid acknowledging same problems in Hungary, not only with Ukraine, but also with Slovakia, most recently Orban's stupid note trying to raise the problem also with Croatia."

You know you are making a false statement. I did not criticize Ukraine for nationalism. I critized it for letting nazis (national-socialists) terrorize the minorities and for creating discriminatory laws against the minorities. You criticize the Hungarian Prime Minister for a statement. I could quote many statements made by Ukrainian or Slovakian politicians that I find offensive. But that's not my issue. My issue is that Hungarians in Ukraine face an existential threat in the form of armed Ukrainians nazis who would like to kill them and that the government treats these nazi groups as partners, the whole country admires a perpetrator of genocides as a national hero and on top of all that there are discriminatory laws in place with the aim to compel Hungarians into assimilation or leaving the country. From Hungarian perspective Ukraine is a deeply oppressive state, which seeks to actively erase everything that's Hungarian, including its own citizens.

@Martas "You point to unfair treatment of Hungarian minority in Ukraine while you have for long time same problem in Hungary, great law which you completely failed to apply because of money."

So, you claim that Hungary does not provide enough funds to minorities. I am not convinced about this, but I treat this as a possibly true statement. However, I did not say that Hungarians do not receive money in Slovakia or Ukraine. It is probably true, but it is of less relevance to me. That's not my issue. My issue is that there are discriminatory laws in both countries that artificially and intentionally deteriorate the lives of Hungarians in these countries. Banning the use of the Hungarian language in Hungarian schools in Ukraine is a much more serious problem than lack of funding. It is direct oppression, as the expression of thoughts using the first language is treated as a crime. Death lists targetting Hungarian persons are worse issues. And the Ukrainian government does not catch those who incited against those persons, but prosecutes those persons instead. Taking the citizenship and with it, the right to vote is far more serious than withholding funds. In Ukraine nazis roam freely and threaten and terrorize minorities. I would be happy if the worst issue would be lack of funding.

But, instead, my main worry in Ukraine is that after Ukraine loses this war - whichis a very probable outcome - then many thousands of angry nazis armed by the U.S. will start doing what their hero, Bandera did.

@Martas "Back to current problems with Benes decrees. Everybody claims he wants to be in peace with the history, but not Hungary."

You totally misunderstand the problem. The decrees were never abolished. So they are active today. It is not a historical issue, but a very actual one.

"it's about financial compensations and we are talking about really lot of money. So we have Hungary actively asking about reopening WWII topic and at the same time blaming others about WWII war crimes of lower size then those caused by Hungary itself."

We never bring up the plight of Palestinians when the matter of compensating Holocaust-survivors is brought to the table. Because whatever Israel does - right or wrong - is completely irrelevant to what Hungary did to that Jewish person and that Jewish person did not do anything against Palestinians. That Jewish person was persecuted and abused for being Jewish. Similarly, I find it cynical on your part to argue against compensating Hungarian victims of injustices on the basis of what Hungary did decades ago. How is that relevant to the case of the Hungarian individual who was persecuted in Czehoslovakia while being completely innocent? Also, Hungary pays reparations to victims of Holocaust and their descendants.

"You want to bring in topic of languages. And you did it by pointing problems of people with 2 passports, problem started since Orban needed few more voters."

You mix up two problems. First, the language problem affects all Hungarians living in Slovakia and Ukraine, independently of whether they have obtained Hungarian citizenship or not, as the discriminatory language laws target the use of the languages with the aim of discouraging it, rather than citizensip. Secondly, a Hungarian having Hungarian citizenship should not be treated as an enemy. This is an uncivilized conduct.

@Martas "Do you want to bring into discussion Bandera or Volhynya massacre? Shall we compare it with number of victims of nazi Hungary from very much the same time?"

You are missing the point. We Hungarians find the genocidal actions committed by the Nyilaskeresztes party-led Hungary extremely unfortunate and we consider the perpetrators to be villains. However, Ukraine does not denounce its genocidal past and reveres Bandera as a national hero. So, my point is not the fact that Bandera exterminated Poles. It is just an unfortunate historical fact. My point is that this person, who killed innocent people for being Polish and who collaborated with nazi Germany can be a national hero in Ukraine. If the nazi issue in Ukraine would have been marginal/irrelevant, then such personalities as Bandera would be considered as a villain by the vast majority. Instead:

"In 2018, the Ukrainian Parliament designated the 1 January, the Bandera's birthday, as a national holiday." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera

The Hungarian equivalent of Bandera is Szálasi. The vast majority of Hungarians view him as a villain and not even the Mi Hazánk party dares to openly admire him because it would instantly lose many voters.

"Seems Poland has no issue with that history at the moment, point is being raised from Hungary."

So, if Poland does not raise this issue as a topic, then is it okay to consider the person killing 100 000 Polish people as a hero? I am genuinely interested to see whether you are willing at all to admit that considering a butcher - Bandera in this case - to be a national hero? Independently of what Polish politicians say.

@Martas The Slovakian language law is also abusive, as it enforces the use of the Slovakian language besides minority languages regardless of whether it is needed or not:

"Thus, if a group of Hungarian-speakers establish a literary circle, say, their proceedings would have to have a parallel Slovak translation, whether anyone actually needed this or not."
"Minority-language schools are obliged to run their administration and documentation in Slovak and the same applies to the health service."
"The armed forces, the police and the fire service are to be monolingually Slovak. This last, by way of example, creates interesting scenarios - thus in a Hungarian-speaking area, the firemen are very likely to be all Hungarian-speakers, but when putting out a fire, they must speak Slovak to each other and also, of course, to the owner of the house where the fire is."
https://euobserver.com/opinion/28440

"The weirdest of all is that all public inscriptions must be in the state language; this may be accompanied by other languages and, although the Law is vague on this, it looks as if it is to be applied retroactively. The implication is that gravestones must all be recarved, unless they are already in Slovak." So, if a Hungarian grave has Hungarian inscription, then it has to be regraved. So, Slovakia abuses even the dead with its language law.

@Martas So, what was her "false testimony"? Was she not beaten? Or was she beaten for a different reason? Slovakia therefore persecuted the victim via legal means.

"Hungarian was a compatriot of nazi Germany during WWII"

Did you mean "ally"?

"Benes decrees were direct response to what happened during WWII, it Hungary was involved because of colaborating with nazi Germany. Yes, principle of collective guilt was used, it affected those guilty as well as those not guilty. Sad history but true."

Yes. Also, the majority of a nation - any nation - is to be assumed innocent and the only basis for punishing someone should be based on his/her individual actions. So why is Slovakia not abolishing the Benes decrees? Why are the decrees that apply collective guilt still a thing? Hungary also had shameful laws in the 1940's. But those laws were abolished. Why is Slovakia maintaining decrees that apply collective guilt to this day? And how is it possible that you, who identified lack of funds as the greatest problem Slovakians face in Hungary claim that Hungarians are better off in Slovakia than Slovakians in Hungary? Hungary does not have decrees that name Slovakians because of their national origins guilty. Hungary does not prosecute Slovakians who were beaten for being Slovakians. Hungary does not aim to steal the lands of Slovakians on the grounds that their ancestors were Slovakians.

@Martas I did not claim that confiscating the Slovakian citizenship of Hungarian citizens are consequences of the Benes decree. I have meant to identify this as another serious human rights problem in Slovakia, affecting Hungarians there. So, if a Hungarian accepts the Hungarian citizenship, then he will no longer be considered to be a Slovakian citizen.

Gubík László was stripped of his Slovakian citizenship for obtaining a Hungarian one. He started his speech in English:

"Dear Madame Chair! Dear Petitioners! Members of the Commitee! Ladies and Gentlemen!
My name is László Gubík. I live in Slovakia. I study in Hungary. I am the first Hungarian who took Hungarian citizenship. My Slovak citizenship was stripped away from me without my consent. It was two years ago. Since then practically I have been living as an immigrant in my homeland and as a guest in my flat as you can see and read on my T-shirt. Now let me allow to continue my short speech in my mother tongue."

and continued in Hungarian, it can be read here: https://felvidek.ma/2013/05/gubik-laszlo-felszolalasa-brusszelben/

Malina Hedvig was speaking on the phone using her main language, Hungarian. Two skinheads have beaten her up brutally for this. Afterwards, she was prosecuted against by the Slovakian state, which charged her for "false testimony". Strasbourg forced Slovakia to apologize and Slovakia did so. But that did not stop Slovakia to continue the prosecution against her.

Just to make sure that all of us understands that she was really beaten, I'm sharing this link: https://hungarytoday.hu/investigation-dropped-in-hedvig-malina-case/

@Martas Bosits was born in 1966 and still the Slovakian state ruled against him because of his Hungarian origin. So, the Highest Court, in order "to preserve the necessary prestige of the state", assigned the case back to a normal court to repeat the procedure and to confiscate his lands. The constitutional court confirmed this in 2017. So, Bosits, and his legal representative, Keszegh Tünde turned to the court in Strasbourg, that found Slovakia guilty in the case.

However, the ruling in Strasbourg did not decide about the matter of the forest, its ruling was focused on the matter of the right for a fair trial, which was obviously violated by Slovakia.

https://felvidek.ma/2020/05/kiderult-az-igazsag-a-szlovak-jog-ma-is-alkalmazza-a-75-evvel-ezelotti-jogfoszto-rendeletet-az-allam-szukseges-tekintelyenek-megorzese-erdekeben/
https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng#{%22fulltext%22:[%22Bosits%22],%22itemid%22:[%22001-202463%22]}

Do the decrees consider Bosits, a person born in 1966 to be guilty for being Hungarian? In my opinion the decrees were not exempting Hungarians born later to be not guilty, this is not the style of genocidal thinking, but I could be wrong. Maybe the Slovakian state or the Benes decrees do not consider Bosits to be guilty because of being Hungarian. However, whatever the Slovakian state thinks about Bosits, his national origin is the legal basis to confiscate his lands.

In my view, the very fact that Slovakia did not abolish the Benes decrees which were used to persecute Germans and Hungarians is the greatest shame in the history of the young country called Slovakia. If I had to compress the history of this 28 year old state into an SMS, it would contain its foundation in 1994 and the fact that it maintains the Benes decrees. Applying collective guilt for being Jewish, Hungarian or any other nation is genocidal thinking...

@Martas So, the decree specifies that Germans and Hungarians, obviously alive at 1945 august 2 lose their citizenship. Future generations were uninteresting at that point, but now, decades after the introduction of the decrees, with the decrees still being active, we may wonder: what does this mean for Hungarians of today? At least it means that the Slovakian state has the means to steal all the properties they inherited, which, in the case of Bosits has at least meant that the state actively tried to steal his lands based on decrees that identified Hungarians as being collectively guilty.

So, the decrees, which were the legal tools to displace, persecute, force into slave labor or even kill them are still in place. So, when you said that Hungarians in Ukraine and Slovakia are better off than minorities in Hungary, it was quite a bold statement. Given the fact that you are aware of the Benes decrees, it is clear to me that your statement about how fine is to be a Hungarian in Slovakia in comparison with being a minority in Hungary was a falsehood that you were aware of even when you have written it.

The case Bosits vs. Slovakia is a very good example of the Benes decrees being applied to this day against Hungarians. Bosits inherited a forest. In 2009, the Slovakian Forest Company sued him, because his father was Hungarian and, according to the Benes decrees it should have been confiscated. However, the ruling favored Bosits in 2013 and the matter seemed to settle. However, in 2014, the main Slovakian prosecutor intervened and ordered a special supervision of the ruling and as a result, the highest court of Slovakia in 2015 decided that, since the ancestors of Bosits were Hungarians, in conform of decree 104/1945, in 1946 their lands should have been confiscated.

@Martas While I am not fluent in the Czeh or Slovak language, I find it unprobable that Benes would carefully specify that "only" the Hungarians born before 1946 were collectively guilty, as his aim was to get rid of Hungarians from Czehoslovakia and when a nation is collectively dispossessed, expelled or murdered for some "guilt", then usually there are no precautions to specify that some future members of the community the decrees aim to destroy will be innocent of the applied collective guilt, because there will be no future members. Yet, I may be wrong about this, the actual text of the Benes decree translated to Hungarian, English or Romanian would clarify the matter, yet, even if you are right and people born after the decrees or the world war are not considered to be guilty by the decrees, even then, the decrees apply collective guilt based on nationality, as any sane person will easily recognize that not all Hungarians, not even the Hungarians older than the decrees were guilty because of the world war.

Also, the English translation of the decrees can be found at http://www.vloe.at/benes%20decrees_eng.pdf

Decree 33, number (2) states that "2) The other Czechoslovak citizens of German or Magyar nationality shall lose
their Czechoslovak citizenship on the day this decree comes into force . (Art. 1,
Par.1)" www.vloe.at/benes decrees_eng.pdf page 10

@Martas "concerning the regulations of the Czechoslovak citizenship of persons of German
and Magyar nationality, have lost Czechoslovak citizenship. The labour conscription
is also extends to persons of Czech, Slovak or any other Slavic nationality who
applied for the granting of German or Magyar citizenship at the time of heightened
threat to the Republic, without having been forced through compulsion or particular
circumstances" http://www.vloe.at/benes%20decrees_eng.pdf

Which in practice meant that Germans and Hungarians were stripped from their citizenship, their properties were seized and they were sent to camps of forced labor, which pressurized Hungary to accept citizen-exchange in order to protect the Hungarian community, persecuted by the Czehoslovak state, Benes's clear aim was to transform Czehoslovakia into a purely Slavic state, which was his motivation to persecute the defenseless minorities. Germans face an even worse form of persecution, 3 000 000 Germans were deported from the country. There were plans to expel all Hungarians as well, but the great powers did not allow Czehoslovakia to do it.

@Martas

" so you really don't want understand meaning of the english word "defend" in order to excuse your usage of word "liar" due to my repeated statement that you defended Jobbik (by your own admission). You rather want to point to different statements of mine. As you wish, go on making yourself fool."

I explained to you that I did not aim to defend Jobbik when I was identifying what national-socialism is. Since you maintained your statement about me even after I clarified to you that it was inaccurate and I did not have the intention you have attributed to me, it is very logical to me that you were lying. And I do not really care whether you think that I'm making a fool out of yourself. You are a free person and your statements should be tolerated, even if I disagree with them. Basically that was my point about Karjakin as well.

"no, it's only lack of interest of Hungarian majority to spend money from taxes to support minorities."

While I do support the payment of any funds that is due, I think that national identity is not a matter of money. My national identity cannot be bought and I presume that the national identity of Slovakians in Hungary is also not a matter of money. If they assimilate out of their free will, without being pressurized to do so or being discriminated against, then I respect their decision to assimilate. If they remain Slovakian, then I respect that as well. To me it is important to ensure that this is their free choice and any individual or group that aims to pressurize them should be punished.

"Under some of the 1946 Beneš decrees ethnic Germans and Hungarians in Czechoslovakia were, collectively, stripped of their rights, denied the protection of the law, and deprived of their property — without compensation." https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/P-6-2007-5872_EN.html

So, the decree rendered every German and Hungarian collectively guilty for the world war. Subsequently, according to decree 33:

@arzi I have read your first comment addressed to me since my comments written yesterday. It seems that you are no longer able to have an argument-based discourse, because, while you have used foul language, you failed to point out why you said that I'm lying. I have repeatedly asked you to explain it, yet, instead of explaining it, your comment contained hostility only. As a result, I will optimize my time by not reading your further comments. Happy trolling!

"In Slovakia the Benes decrees are in place, according to which every Hungarian is guilty for the world war and if someone has Hungarian citizenship, he/she will lose his/her Slovakian citizenship." lajosarpad

Principle of single citizenship is applied in Slovakia since separation of Czechoslovakia, it has nothing to do with Benes decrees (inactive law), it applies to czechs same way as to hungarians. And Slovakia with Ukraine are by far not the only european countries with this law.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-that-don-t-recognize-dual-citizenship.html

"There is no point to search in Karjakin's quotes to find something convincing you about anything. You clearly stated that you agree with all what he said/wrote." Martas

@lajosarpad: Based on recent discussion (things you said and points you intentionaly ignored) I can finalize my opinion. I think you are same type of nationalist as Karjakin. I see only difference, he is Russian, you are Hungarian, so both of you care mainly about nationalistic interests of country where you live. I have no problem with nationalists, but I see big issue when they start mess up things outside of their country. Representatives of both of your countries are nationalists and fighting for interests of those countries inside Ukraine makes them responsible for increased level of nationalizm there, including it's extreme forms.
So my statement very well reflects my opinion. I don't stick to it being completely true, but you gave me many reasons to think so.

You want to bring in topic of languages. And you did it by pointing problems of people with 2 passports, problem started since Orban needed few more voters. You point to unfair treatment of Hungarian minority in Ukraine while you have for long time same problem in Hungary, great law which you completely failed to apply because of money. Overall you blame Ukraine because of nationalizm while you completely avoid acknowledging same problems in Hungary, not only with Ukraine, but also with Slovakia, most recently Orban's stupid note trying to raise the problem also with Croatia. You exaggerate the nazi problem of Ukraine, trying to avoid same problem in Hungary, and I don't mean marginal parties in Hungary, active opening of problem with Benes decrees is related to problem with nazi history of Hungaria.

"In Slovakia the Benes decrees are in place, according to which every Hungarian is guilty for the world war and if someone has Hungarian citizenship, he/she will lose his/her Slovakian citizenship." lajosarpad

So first of all it is a huge lie that Benes decree applies to every Hungarian. It was limited to those who lived in Czechoslovakia during WWII, so it is limited to a fraction of Hungarians older then 76.
Now let's face some historical facts regarding topic you brought into discussion. Hungarian was a compatriot of nazi Germany during WWII, more info can be found in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Hungary#World_War_II . Benes decrees were direct response to what happened during WWII, it Hungary was involved because of colaborating with nazi Germany. Yes, principle of collective guilt was used, it affected those guilty as well as those not guilty. Sad history but true.
Do you want to bring into discussion Bandera or Volhynya massacre? Shall we compare it with number of victims of nazi Hungary from very much the same time? Seems Poland has no issue with that history at the moment, point is being raised from Hungary.
Back to current problems with Benes decrees. Everybody claims he wants to be in peace with the history, but not Hungary. There are 2 points in discussion about this. One is acknowledging that the law affected some innocent people. There is no problem with this in case of common agreement that Benes decrees were by far not the only problem of this type. Second point is more nasty, it's about financial compensations and we are talking about really lot of money. So we have Hungary actively asking about reopening WWII topic and at the same time blaming others about WWII war crimes of lower size then those caused by Hungary itself.

Martas, I am afraid, or really, I am quite convinced that Lajosarpad will not be able to admit certain things as facts. The same thing was the case some time ago, when Lajosarpad and I had a heated corona debate.

Sometimes lenses of a certain color give the eyes only a picture of the world of a certain color. The Nazis, the Azov Battalion and the perfect Viktor Orban, a good friend of Putin, have caught the eye of Lajosarpad.

News from BBC:"Hungary's nationalist Prime Minister Viktor Orban has been congratulated by Russian President Vladimir Putin after he won a fourth term by a landslide in the country's general election. Mr Orban is famed for his warm relations with Vladimir Putin. He signed up to Western sanctions - but refuses to supply Ukraine with weapons. He is the only EU leader to openly criticize President Zelensky. Hungary's leader has repeatedly clashed with Brussels over rule-of-law issues such as press freedom and migration. Hungary is becoming increasingly isolated in the EU and Nato"

@lajosarpad : so you really don't want understand meaning of the english word "defend" in order to excuse your usage of word "liar" due to my repeated statement that you defended Jobbik (by your own admission). You rather want to point to different statements of mine. As you wish, go on making yourself fool.

Martas:"Tax money, I think I heard about that argument from you already, wasn't it related to Hungarian position regarding sanctions against Russia?"

Actually, it was something about the Hungarian economy and prosperity, also with the energy coming from Russia, if I remember correctly?

To Lajosarpad:

As you can see from these writings, you lied about me to other writer. Simply. You could have said to me:" Sorry, my mistake, accidentally done." I would have answered to you:" No problem, it is ok." You refused to do this little thing and acted like an idiot. You have also accused other writer about lying and that is why I have to use the same word also to you. Your rules. So, you are both a liar and an idiot. Totally correct solution, the truth.

5/18/2022 06:29 arzi to lajsarpad
"The fact that there are marginal numbers of Nazis in that country is a silly excuse. Russia should attack every country around the world with the same excuse, because there are "Nazis" everywhere, even in Finland, Russia, USA, Hungary...everywhere"

5/19/2022 06:54 lajosarpad to sunrisek
"Arzi chooses not to acknowledge that there are nazi groups in Ukraine and there is a nazi issue in Ukraine."

"They were not compelled into assimilation as far as I know. "
@lajosarpad : no, it's only lack of interest of Hungarian majority to spend money from taxes to support minorities. You can have a best law in the world to keep excusing yourself, but the fact is that Hungary completely failed in applying this.
Tax money, I think I heard about that argument from you already, wasn't it related to Hungarian position regarding sanctions against Russia?

To Lajosarpad (a liar and an idiot)

Do you think that (the war is already estimated to have cost EUR 570 billion) the Crimea problems were trying to be solved by this criminal attack from Russia, Yes / No? Do you think that the attack was done because the banning of minority languages in schools, depriving fresh waters, problems in minorities including Hungarian, Polish, Ruthenian, Russian and Romanian people, Yes / No? Do you think that the problems with freedom of expression, a free press and free political parties in Ukraine were greater than in Hungary Yes / No? Really?

To Lajosarpad (a liar and an idiot)
It seems to be that your definition of Nazi is just because of two words, National Socialist. Is Socialist Democratic then Communist? I know that the both sentences are not true but you as a right wing ideologist in political thoughts may have a different a view, right? All those people in any parties with name in it, socialist, must be communist, right? Also, if any party has two words (national socialist in any order) in their name must be from Nazi -party, right? Like the young man who has bald head and the swastika tattooed in his skin must be a Nazi, right?

Btw, did you know that swastika is one of the oldest symbol of humankind, maybe the oldest? Did you know that in the Finnish Air Force, a swastika (blue) was in use (1918-1945) long before Hitler and the Nazis introduced it and ruined its reputation? The emblem of Finnish armored vehicles in 1941–44 was a short-pointed, black swastika with white shading. The flag of the President of the Republic of Finland also featured Swastika, blue-yellow. Those symbols had nothing to do with Nazis.

To Lajosarpad, a liar and an idiot:

Tell me, what does it tell you that the whole nation of Ukraine supports the current President of Ukraine? Tell me, what does it tell you that all those people in Ukraine now hate Russians? Do they think that the President of Ukraine is to be blamed for this criminal attack done by Russians? Do they think that Ukraine should lay down, resign and die, give Russians what they want, also all those current occupied countries? Do they think that all this bad things are because of the "SERIOUS" Nazi problems in Ukraine? Could you, please, explain me a meaning of the word, serious? When is the issue called as a serious? In numbers? In actions? In thoughts? In words?

To Lajosarpad:

If a young person has had a Nazi tattoo on his/her skin in his/her youth, but has not ever been in contact with the Nazis or their ideas, is he/she a Nazi or not?

If an adult, an ordinary-looking man or woman, without any external signs of Nazism, supports the Nazi ideology in his thoughts and actions, is he/she a Nazi or not?

How do you know if there are not any Nazis in Hungary and how many Nazis there are in Ukraine? By guessing? By looking through a telescope? Checking it from the internet? Asking it from Orban or Putin? Maybe God gives you the right answer? Devil?

To Lajosarpad, a liar and an idiot: Tell me, when Nazi -issue is serious? Could you define me a word, serious? How many Nazis are needed to make the Nazi -issue a serious problem?

For example:
Hungary 10 million people and one Nazi is 0,00001 %.
Hungary 10 million people and 500 Nazis is 0,005 %.
Hungary 10 million people and 50 000 Nazis 0,5%.
Hungary 10 million people and 10 000 000 Nazis 100%

How many Nazis there are in Ukraine and how many in Hungary? Can you give me some numbers? Any numbers in percentage? It would help me to understand this "serious" Nazi issue.

Some news from good old, Hungary: "The Hungarian government said on Tuesday it would declare a state of emergency because of the war in Ukraine. A state of emergency has previously been declared in the country due to the coronavirus, which is due to end next Tuesday. Prime Minister Viktor Orban said on Facebook that the new state of emergency would take effect at midnight. He justified the decision at the risk of war. Shortly before Orban's announcement, the Hungarian parliament amended the constitution to allow for a state of emergency. Orban's Fidesz party has a majority in parliament.

The Hungarian Civil Liberties Association (TASZ), a human rights organization, condemned the action, calling it an "emergency that has become permanent". According to the organization, the state of emergency gives Orban more room for maneuver than usual and allows him to restrict or abolish fundamental human rights.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyi and other Ukrainian leaders have repeatedly criticized Hungary and Orban, who was recently elected for the fourth term as prime minister. Hungary has not agreed to send weapons to Ukraine or to support sanctions against Russian energy imports."

Yes, when one emergency ends, another emergency is started. Sounds like Nazi -issue in Hungary? Yes.

Lajosarpad:"No. The Ukrainian territory loss seems to be a likely outcome unless a world war starts for Ukraine, independently of what you or I would like. Yet, for me the most important aspect of Ukraine is the Hungarian minority in Transcarpathia, which was consistently harrassed by Ukrainian nazis in the last 8 years. https://hungarytoday.hu/ukraine-ethnic-minorities-hungarians-nato-eu/"

Yes, there are countries, like Hungary, which seem to support more Russia than Ukraine. I hope your energy issue is
ok in Hungary? Also that minority problem In Ukraine seems to be an imaginary or quite small alongside the current devastation in Ukraine done by the Russia. Somehow the whole Ukraine seems to be on the same side against Russia? That is why Russia could not conquer the whole of Ukraine in a few weeks. Ukraine has a spirit of Finnish Winter War. Maybe Russia should head to Hungary? They have long and good relations between them, already from Soviet Union times, right? Yes, that Russia should do because those two countries resemble each other so much, not least on behalf of their leaders. What about new state, Russia-Hungary kingdom? Sounds good. As tsar of Putin and king of Orban? Like brotherhood, almost.

Lajosarpad:"I acknowledge that the members of the Azov battalion were heroic in Mariupol. However, I would not call nazis "heroes". The non-nazi Ukrainian soldiers are heroes to me. Members of the Azov battalion are nazi thugs to me."

Of course you would NOT call nazis heroes!! What do you know about heroes? Maybe you have got your role models and heroes from comic books? Geee, what if a murderer or Nazi saves the village from destruction and died while doing it? Well, in your book it was not a heroic action, right? If the village was saved by a non-Nazi then it was a heroic act in the books of Lajosarpad, right?