FIDE Grand Prix Final - Games and results

To be fair, as a long time member of each, there really is more on chess.com...because there are SO MANY threads. But your point is well taken....things descend to 'bad places'. That has been a problem since the internet started - anonymity encourages our baser instincts which allow people to say things to someone they would NEVER say to their face.

Michael Jones wrote: "A streamer even playing a World Championship match would be good publicity for the game..."

Even better publicity would be if the two contestants streamed _during_ the WC match! And suddenly Nakamura would be the more experienced of the two.

@Keith
Mostly correct, except that farang is a corruptions of Franks, not foreigners. ;) But completely correct in spirit.

arzi, I assume furrinors is similar to farangs in Thailand - a corruption of the word foreigner I think.

arzi, you don't know what furries are?

Relax Aighearach, not everybody hates America. Also, "America" is not the center of intelligence, either. Btw. what do Furrinors mean?

Caruana was born in Florida, never lived in Italy, and his primary languages are English and Hungarian. Nakamura is from New York. Wesley So was adopted by a nice family in Minnesota. Levon Aronian lives in Saint Louis and is a great American. Furrinors should think twice before deciding that even though they furrin, and hate America, that they would somehow be gatekeepers of what it means to be American.

To Mamack1: My mistake. Double no means yes. I read it too quickly. Lol.

arzi

Read my statement again, I was agreeing with what you say.

" ... there is absolutely no way that Kasparov wouldn't have beaten Shirov in a WC match"

Which is why no-one could be found willing to fund it.

Mamaci:"Lol, there is absolutely no way that Kasparov wouldn't have beaten Shirov in a WC match"

The results do not lie, sadly. Shirov would have had no chance against Kasparov, according to statistics. Not even "lol" can help with that. Because the match did not happen we must rely on previous results. It was murderously bad for Shirov.

To Michael Jones, Yes, Naka is very good in rapid and blitz. He may have some chance in those formats.

A streamer even playing a World Championship match would be good publicity for the game, but the result would be pretty much a foregone conclusion - Carlsen leads Naka 14-1 in classical games. Naka would stand at least some chance if it got as far as tiebreaks - he's had some recent success against Carlsen in rapid/blitz, but still has a comfortable negative record against him overall - but of course Carlsen would realise that and aim to seal the match in the classical games, rather than agreeing a bunch of draws as he did against Caruana (a weaker blitz player than Nakamura).

Mauvais, and Theochessman also for that matter, the bigotry comes from assuming that someone with the Italian sounding name like Fabiano Caruana cannot be an American. Many American are guilty of this themselves, so I am simply calling for less prejudice from everyone in the definition of "American". Agreed that Aronian, So, Dominguez-Perez are not Americans and are visitors playing under the American flag. But Caruana, Nakamura, Shankland, Xiong are strong American players even if their names don't sound "American" enough for you.

Lol, there is absolutely no way that Kasparov wouldn't have beaten Shirov in a WC match - the latter might at least have broken his duck in classical chess against Gazza though (certainly its a real shame their scheduled encounter never got played) And tbh I don't give Nakamura much more chance against Carlsen, even if he no longer loses almost every serious game to him as was once the case.

ulyssesganesh:"who knows shirov would have destroyed Garry's KID"

A score between Kasparov-Shirov is crushing. Did Shirov won any classical game against Kasparov? Yes, WC-match is a different case as Fischer-Spassky match can prove. Before their match Fischer hadn´t won any classical game against Spassky. So, it is possible if Nakamura get over his fears against Carlsen, and if Nakamura ever gets in WC-match, he can win Carlsen? If ...

Arzi... it is interesting ... Kasparov-- Shirov .....most of us think it would have been onesided ..... but that match never took place ... who knows shirov would have destroyed Garry's KID .. Gruenfeld .... yes, Sicilian .....

Caruana was born, raised and educated in the US, English is his first language - if he even speaks Italian as a second language, he does not fully master it. Hikaru Nakamura has an American mother and a Japanese father, was born in Japan and immigrated in the US, with his parents, at the age of... 2 years-old. His parents divorced a year later.

American chess players are the best in the World !

If I am not mistaken, most of the "American" players are imported.
Aronian is from Armenia, So from the Philippines, Caruana from Italy, Dominguez Perez from Cuba and Nakamura was born in Japan.

"MauvaisFou: Ok, so you have TWO good American players. Not much for 350,000,000 people. Compare to France or Russia. Just now, Germany has no top players, but a large density of FIDE-rated players."

You don't follow chess do you?

# players currently in top 15 live ratings by country:

USA: 5
Azerbaijan: 2
Norway: 1
China: 1
France: 1
Hungary: 1
Russia: 1
Netherlands: 1
India: 1
Poland: 1

Source: https://2700chess.com/

Carlsen-Nakamura is almost like Kasparov-Shirov. Maybe Nakamura has improved his stamina? He played well in these GP:s after long rest and also showed strong nerves.

I don't really care, but still, I double-checked : Caruana is Italian-American and moved to Europe at 12 to have better training conditions, won several times the Italian championship and went back to USA 10 years later only because he found a sponsor there. Anyway, where is the bigotry to say that chess is more developed in Europe than in USA, as well as soccer or handball ? I readily agree that USA are the best in basket or athletics ... And I do hope that a world title for Nakamura would give a boost to chess in his country.

Ok, so you have TWO good American players. Not much for 350,000,000 people. Compare to France or Russia.
Just now, Germany has no top players, but a large density of FIDE-rated players.

The wikipedia claim about Ding saying he will have played enough games to qualify has no citation, and the original citation is a chess24 article that doesn't even say that. He only has 11 games. He could play a bunch of match games against somebody lower rated, but that might not actually help his career.

Hikaru Nakamura has an American mother and a Japanese father, was born in Japan and immigrated in the US, with his parents, at the age of... 2 years-old. His parents divorced a year later.

Wrong, Mauvais, you cannot take off Caruana because he was born in Florida and grew up in New York. Native born American. Do your research next time before you put your bigotry on display.

Nakamura really is on fire!!

Did Fischer give a boost to USA chess ? I'm not so sure. And today, if you take off So, Caruana, Lenier Dominguez and Aronian, you can say that chess in USA is rather weak compared to Europe. China and India also have very strong players. As far as women are concerned, then USA is even weaker (it is just the opposite in soccer).

Naka could make a good WC. But Carlsen is very good in public relations and is a great champion - maybe one of the, or even the, best player of the whole history of the game. And if Carlsen does not participate to the WC, there will be that tiring idea that he nevertheless is the current best player in the world (even if Carlsen loses the WC, but it will give more credit to the replacing WC). Let's not be too USA-centrist here. But Naka, as a WC, could give a boost to the game in the US in particular.

Naka would make a superb WC ! The game's popularity would explode as in 1972.

OK - I have seen about Karjakin's disqualification - on Wikipedia, I found this about the rules which will apply to replace him - seeing those rules, Ding Liren appears as a highly probable replacement:

"Originally, no player would have automatically qualified through rating.[19] However, due to Karjakin’s pending disqualification, the rules state that the highest rated player in the May 2022 rating list who has also played at least 30 games rated in the rating lists from June 2021 to May 2022, will be invited as a replacement.[4] The May rating list is due to be released on May 1, 2022.

As of March 2022,[20] the leading contenders are Ding Liren with a rating of 2799 and Levon Aronian with a rating of 2785.[21] While Ding has not yet played the required number of games in rating lists from June 2021, he has indicated that he will play enough games to qualify for the tournament before the May 2022 list is issued."

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candidates_Tournament_2022#Qualifier_by_rating

"Nakamura, and off course Rapport qualified today for the candidates tournament." That is correct.

" I hope FIDE will replace Karjakin with the highest rated player." Did Karjakin announce that he will not participate to the Candidates Tournament? If that is the case, I missed the news (and maybe others).

Hurin: i calculated the exact same

Asif I am correct the results of the semifinal and final aren't important anymore. Nakamura, and off course Rapport qualified today for the candidates tournament.
With all respect Giri, Aronian and Dominguez they all lost, and MVL was allready out in round 5. Congratulations to Rapport and Nakamura.
Now I hope FIDE will replace Karjakin with the highest rated player who didn't qualify yet and not by I wildcard to be chosen by the organisors in Spain.

And the win on 3/27 keeps Naka alive...by the skin of his teeth. Tomorrow he plays the tail ender...who has nothing to lose. Always a frightening proposition.

If Nakamura gets into the semifinal, then he performed as well as Rapport and he may have better chances. But he needs to qualify for that. Today's win against Aronian increased his chances, but he is still unlikely to qualify, given the fact that he is on shared second with Aronian and Oparin leads. Nevertheless, if Nakamura qualifies now and even wins the semifinal, then he will be better placed than Rapport. I would not bet on that though, yet, it's not impossible.

What if Nakamura gets in semi-final? Is it enough to qualify? He did win Rapport in their last semi-final game.

See the as usual very instructive automated comments. Giri was very lucky to have axb5 in the end, otherwise b5-b6 would have put him in a tight spot. Wow.

Easily? It certainly does make it harder. To qualify he will need to finish well and the loss effectively puts him a point back of the field when a nice plus score in the end will be needed.

Naka lost to Aronian this can easily cost him the Candidates' spot.