Are chess super-talents generally smarter than regular kids?

by Frederic Friedel
11/6/2019 – Are strong chess players generally better at logical thinking than people who rarely play the game? Can super-talented youngsters, of GM strength, solve logical puzzles better than amateurs or non-chess kids of the same age? Or are both equally good, or are the chess kids perhaps worse? ChessBase chief editor emeritus Frederic Friedel is conducting an experiment to find out. Today he tells us how his experiments so far have been conducted. Perhaps you can join in and supply your own results. Or at least have fun with his problems!

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Chess and logic

The picture above shows 12-year-old grandmaster D. Gukesh in April this year in my home in Hamburg. On the left, watching, is his father Rajnikanth, an ENT surgeon from Chennai, India. What is Gukesh doing? Well, he is aquainting himself with the Soma Cube, a little puzzle toy with which I have spent a lifetime playing. Gukesh had just completed the Baden-Baden GM tournament, where he had come equal first — after making his GM title three months earlier, at the age of twelve years and seven months, missing the all-time record set by Sergey Karjakin in 2002 by a few days. If you look at his ChessBase Player Profile you can see how he achieved that (and play through some of his most interesting games).

India is currently witnessing a chess boom like nowhere else in the world. I toured the south of the country in January this year (2019) and met half a dozen chess talents who all had what it takes to become World Champions. None was over fourteen years old. I am pretty sure that in ten years from now the World Chess Champion will be Indian, there will be (at least) three Indian players in the top ten list, and over 50% of all active rated players in the world will be Indian.

Recently we (ChessBase and ChessBase India, together with Internet service provider Microsense) arranged a chess camp in Geneva for six top talents to train with former World Champion Vladimir Kramnik. In the breaks — at breakfast or in the evening — I gave the kids logical problems to solve. It was part of a project I have undertaken: trying to determine whether exceptional chess talents are better at working out logical problems than normal kids — or equal, or perhaps worse. In this endeavour psychologist friends have urged me to use one standard problem (and not an assortment) so I can reach a valid conclusion. I will report on the results when I have a larger sample.

The problem I have chosen is one involving weighing with balance scales (I have to keep a picture ready since today's kids sometimes don't know what that is). The problem is as follows:

You have three coins. All look alike, but one is slightly heavier than the other two. How often must you weigh the coins on the balance scales to find the heavier one?

That is not too difficult, and many kids get it right very quickly. But then I ask: How many times must you weigh to find the one heavier coin amongst four? Amongst Five? Six? Seven? Eight? Nine? Ten? Twenty-seven?

Perhaps I have got you hooked, just like the kids in the following picture — and many other people as well. But do me a favour and do not post the solutions in the comments section below — just whether you figured it all out, and what you think of the problem. We do not want to spoil the fun for other readers. (I will give you the solutions in a separate article shortly.)

In the above picture you see the super-talents in Geneva puzzling over the weighing problem. In the background, talking to me, is fourteen-year-old grandmaster R. Praggnanandhaa who, a couple of weeks ago, stunned the chess world by becoming the World Youth Chess Champion in the Under-18 section.

Oh the suffering! GM Prithu Gupta (left) from New Delhi, who in March this year last month became India's 64th grandmaster, and sixteen-year-old GM Iniyan Panneerselvam (right), India's 61st grandmaster. Iniyan was the quickest at solving the weighing puzzles.

Camp Kramnik was not the first time I had confronted talented young chess players with logical and chess problems. At the Mumbai GM tournament last January I gave a dozen young players the well-known Friedel Talent Test which I have used to identify top talents for decades now. It is a chess ending that is easy to dictate: kings on c8 (White) and a7 (Black), white pawns on b5 and h2, black pawns on a6 and b7. Of course, they have to solve it without pieces on the board. I gave the problem to Gukesh and Savitha Shri, a former U12 World Champion and many-times national champion in her age group in India. They solved it in a minute or two.

Then I gave them the real problem: move the white king to d8 in the initial position. If you belong to the tiny minority of people who do not know the problem you might want to give it a try: click on the image to expand and then try to find an irrefutable win for White — in your mind!

Generations of young talents have puzzled over this problem, and I have kept track of the solving times of dozens of them. If you are interested in the history of my Talent Test: I narrated it to Sagar Shah (CEO of ChessBase India), who cornered me at breakfast in Bangalore, set up his video camera and made me tell the full story. Alternately you can read my report Young talents and preteen GMs, which also tells the tale.

Gukesh solved both problems in his mind in five or so minutes (and confessed he had seen something like it before), while Savitha stood there for half an hour trying to solve the second. A number of other kids did likewise. But I'm afraid that is the end of my talent test. In Mumbai, I saw many young players independently puzzling over it on chessboards — the super-talents had rushed off to show the puzzle to their friends. So in the future when I meet a budding young player and say: "I want to give you a puzzle to solve..." they will probably answer: "You mean the 1.b6+ talent test?" Well, it has served me nicely for almost forty years, with hardly any top player who has not been confronted with it.



But back to logic: in the above picture (from the Sagar Shah interview) we see Gukesh and Savitha working on the weighing puzzle — Savitha was quicker than Gukesh, as he readily admitted in a YouTube interview.

This is Savitha showing the problem to a young German chess player, Cecilia Keymer, brother of Vincent — currently Germany's greatest chess talent

Another young German pre-teen chess talent, Nikolai Nietsche (right). He solved the logical problems extremely well at breakfast in Baden-Baden. On the left, also participating, is super-talent Alireza Firouzja. Alireza won the Iranian Chess Championship at age 12 and earned the grandmaster title at the age of 14. He is currently the highest ranked Iranian player and at 16 the youngest (I believe) 2700+ player in the world — another future contender for the World Championship.

Above is former junior World Chess Champion Qiyu Zhao of Canada, and her parents, both professors. They are all working on the weighing problem. Qiyu is 19 and has written a number of articles for us.

This is an interesting picture: the lad on the right is absolute super-talent Nihal Sarin, fourteen years old, grandmaster, 2600+. He is solving the weighing puzzle in my house, together with his second and teacher, GM Srinath Narayanan, 25, in May this year. Nihal is in my opinion scheduled to take part in World Championship fights in five years at the latest. Stupefying talent for chess.

Okay, now on to some non-chess kids:

Above is Laila, a nine-year-old super-smart non-chess kid I met in Bangalore. She followed me around at a festive dinner, pestering me for "more puzzles" — with which she could confound her school-teacher aunt.

On a train to Frankfurt and back I was seated across from two kids, whom I recruited for my experiments:

Lilith, on the left, is nine years old and was initially very upset that she had no Internet connection on her iPhone. I gave the sulking girl one logical problem after the other, and she spent well over an hour working on them — without pause or interruption. Occasionally her mother had to admonish her not to scream out in joy when she had found a solution — it startled the other passengers. Twelve-year-old Martin on the right was super-smart and solved my problems much faster than his 28-year-old brother Maximilian, with whom he was travelling. He, too, spent a full hour thinking.

Two young kids, Max and Anna, ten and twelve, close relatives of mine in Bavaria, working on the problem. Max was one of the fastest solvers I have so far encountered.

Some grown-ups for a change? On the left is Christian Gödecke, the sports editor of a major German news magazine, Der Spiegel, failing to solve the 27-coin part of the weighing problem. "That's enough for me," he said, and set off for his hotel in London (we were there for the World Championship match Carlsen-Caruana). Ten minutes later he came rushing back: "I have figured it out!!" And indeed he had. On the right is some random passenger on the plane back home. She has promised to try the problem on the Nigerian school children she is working with in Africa.

It has become clear to me: the standard problem I give my test candidates is very entertaining for kids and adults alike. Never once has anyone lost interest and turned away. However I have, as stated above, not yet reached a conclusion on whether chess players are better at general logical thinking than others. I will report on the results when I have a larger sample — currently less than three dozen. Maybe some readers can help. And: if you are interested I will tell you about the other puzzles we solved in Camp Kramnik in Geneva. It drove these wonderfully talented chess players fairly nuts. Should I do the same to you?




Editor-in-Chief emeritus of the ChessBase News page. Studied Philosophy and Linguistics at the University of Hamburg and Oxford, graduating with a thesis on speech act theory and moral language. He started a university career but switched to science journalism, producing documentaries for German TV. In 1986 he co-founded ChessBase.
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fgkdjlkag fgkdjlkag 11/10/2019 09:04
@Aighearach, counterfeit coins have slightly different weights; historically a coin that was supposed to be comprised of a certain metal would have a lesser value metal substituted as part of it.

There will never be a "valid conclusion" to this type of test, because the subjects are not chosen in a standardized way and are not randomly selected from the respective populations. The children are going to differ in IQ and many other factors. One question might be, given equal IQ, does the chess-player solve a problem more rapidly than a non chess-player? Still it might not give much useful information, because it could be that chess-players are more interested in solving the particular kind of puzzles being posed by Mr. Friedel, and have had more experience in the past solving that type of puzzle.
melante melante 11/9/2019 04:40
"Never once has anyone lost interest and turned away. However I have, as stated above, not yet reached a conclusion on whether chess players are better at general logical thinking than others"

But what would be the answer to this question if we show chess kids are smarter? That smarter kids take an early interest in chess or that playing chess makes average kids logically smarter?
ChessHulk ChessHulk 11/8/2019 08:09
Hmm, perhaps the truly smart people believe Chess is a waste of time! :) lol
caliche2016 caliche2016 11/7/2019 09:11
It is worrisome to note how much interested some adults are in children´s mental capacity, I’ve even heard some quite smart adults say things like “this world needs more intelligent kinds, more geniuses in all fields”. I wonder if this is so. Wouldn’t be better to have kids with a lot of empathy and compassion towards other human beings? Wouldn’t be better to have kids capable of feeling a deep love and respect towards human life, animal life and nature in general? I am afraid articles like this reinforce a wrong line of thought that mistakenly overvalues intelligence (and especially intelligence at an early age) over other far more valuable things such as cooperation and solidarity.
JuventusLION JuventusLION 11/7/2019 04:37
You're definition of "geniuses" makes me laugh. Both thes problems are VERY SIMPLE and are not hard nor at a chess nor at a logical level. The truth is these days chess prodigies are excellent at chess and mostly MEMORIZATION...not pure logic in any way more than "normal" kids. To say otherwise after talking with them is ludicrous and is trying to sell chess players as superior which we clearly are not! :-)
Phillidor Phillidor 11/7/2019 10:44
Of course Nikolai solved the logical problems extremelly well, after all he is Nietsche.
Girishkotecha22 Girishkotecha22 11/7/2019 09:27
I have managed to solve the weighing problem in 1.5 minutes. Also, I have formulated a trick to find the answer instantly for any number of coins. I am 27 years of age though. Also, I think normal people can be better at logic than chess players. However they might not pursue chess as a hobby or profession.
Aighearach Aighearach 11/7/2019 05:56
"How often must you weigh the coins"

What are these coins anyways, painted rice cakes? I would hope each coin would weigh the same each time.

Such is the danger in attempting to write these sorts of tests.
Dunamisvpm Dunamisvpm 11/7/2019 03:50
In my humble opinion, if you compare them to regular kids, yes of course they're generally smarter. But if you compare them to other talented non-chess kids... the likes of bill gates for example, i believe they'll fall short. Thank you
Ajeeb007 Ajeeb007 11/7/2019 02:34
Chess players are always asking the question: Are chess players smarter than everyone else? Short answer: No, but they want to think they are.
turok turok 11/7/2019 01:21
let them be kids
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