Newsblog WCC Carlsen-Karjakin, 2016-11-16
11/16/2016 – Game four: draw (2-2)! Karjakin did it again: he put his head into the lion's mouth and everybody expected the beast to snap. But it didn't happen. Sergey Houdini Karjakin managed to survive another stunt. The miracle of New York City continues. What's happening next? Will the Russian be diving with sharks? Is he going to try some roofing on the Empire State? Is he going to play 1...g5 against Carlsen's 1.e4 in game five on Thursday? Dorian Rogozenco explains The Great Escape...
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World Chess Championship News - 2016-11-16
Game 4 - Notes by Dorian Rogozenco
18.27 / 12.27 pm: Daniel King also did a short video analysis (see a longer one here). Have a look:
16.11 / 10.11: The match between Magnus Carlsen and Sergey Karjakin is an event in New York. Which is shown by an interview of Norwegian chess journalist Kaja Marie Snare with young New Yorkers.
15.47 / 9.47 am: Hear the players respond to the questions: The press conference snippets
15.29 / 9.29 am: Here are some impressions from yesterday's game:
11.52 / 5.52 am: Our special service for you: Simon Williams's video analysis from playchess.com about game 5. Click here to watch.
9.25 / 3.25 am: Remarkably enough, the 26-year-old challenger didn‘t crack under pressure and didn’t show the lack of match experience Kasparov displayed vs. Karpov in the beginning of their first match, which was later aborted.
After Karjakin's 15.Qf3, the World Champion looked nervous, examining the area around his knight on f6 all the time and took his time before making sure he can reply …15.Na5. After 16.Ba2 de4 17.de4 Nc4 Karjakin went for 18.Bx6 instead of the safe 18.Ng4, but Carlsen showed Scandinavian sang-froid and countered with …18.Qc6. Maybe Karjakin underestimated this reply? The path to equilibrium narrowed down considerably, Carlsen’s pieces were ready to strike in no time like his favorite soccer team Real Madrid in the era of Carlo Ancelotti (compare to the fourth goal of the 4-0 vs. Bayern).
After 18...Qc6, the online engine displayed a remarkably laconic '0.00' – you’re in a plane 30.000 ft above the ground and suddenly the air pressure drops. With a soft voice like the one of HAL 9000 the comp gives an eval of 0.00 – everything is under control, no need to worry.
The audience wondered if Karjakin is going to retreat the bishop (19.Bc1), but to the surprise of most spectators the Russian put his head deeper into the lion’s mouth and played 19.Bxc4. So you decide to trade the bishop and now the air pressure in the airplane cabin drops even faster. The door disappears into the clouds - no 0.00 anymore, says HAL 9000. 'I’m sorry having to report a new evaluation, Dave. It’s not my fault.' Karjakin managed to hold the draw, and we’ll soon be publishing our commentary to show how he did it. So stay tuned.
8.17 Hamburg time / 2.18 New York City time: Sergey Karjakin is officially Sergey Houdini Karjakin now.
Everyone was expecting the World Champion to finish the challenger off sooner or later. Bishop pair, better coordination, initiative, half open b-file, we all witnessed that. No one does it better. These are the grounds where the lion find's his zebras usually. Karjakin put his head into the lion's mouth, and we expected the beast to snap. Didn't happen. Coming up next: Karjakin puts his hand into the mouth of a crocodile, holding a big, juicy steak in his palm.
It says it all, doesn't it? #CarlsenKarjakin pic.twitter.com/lKiHHeYYhT
— Olimpiu G. Urcan (@OlimpiuUrcan) November 16, 2016
Karjakin's performance in the last two games is remarkable. He doesn't lose his spirit in situations other top players might find unbearable. It's like Mission Impossible II, like The Great Escape, like I did it again. What's next? Is Karjakin going to swim with sharks? Will he be roofing the Shanghai Tower?
>> Check out more pictures of Tippi Hedren with her pet lion here. <<
Sitting in front of a lion for hours is obviously not a challenge anymore for the Russian. If he needs a thrill, he might as well play 1...g5 after Carlsen's next 1.e4.
BREAKING: Putin just appointed Karjakin RUS Minister of Defense R4 #CarlsenKarjakin
— Bobby Fiske (@BobbyFiske) November 16, 2016
Any more ideas for showing courage? Because it's a short distance match, any mistake might be fatal. In our prediction poll Mikhail Golubev stated that heavyweight fights like this one tend to be boring, because both players want to play it safe. Obviously, Karjakin has his own definition of safety. Reminds us of Ali vs. Foreman in Kinshasa, Zaire 1974. Taking super-hard punches by Foreman continuosly, waiting for Foreman to be exhausted.
Honestly impressive defense. Not every day that Carlsen fails to win 2 clearly better positions in a row #CarlsenKarjakin
— Fabiano Caruana (@FabianoCaruana) November 16, 2016
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2.10 / 20.10: Carlsen tries hard to keep winning chances but he might even try too hard.
01.30 / 19.30: Judit Polgar: "I have the feeling that if there is a win in the position, Magnus will find it. But I myself don't see it."
World Chess Championship 2016 Newsblogs:
- November 15th, Game No. 4, notes by Dorian Rogozenco
- November 14th, Game No.3, notes by Yasser Seirawan
- November 13th, Rest Day
- November 12th, Game No.2, notes by Ruslan Ponomariov
- November 11th, Game No.1, notes by Ruslan Ponomariov
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It is surprising the way the match is happening. Magnus has not been able to performe what he did with Anand. To win games where he has an advantage
it is the sort of chess that we gonna see in the future player setting for hours grinding each other ....more horizons have already been discovered ...it is all trun into strategic manuvering carlsen now faces some one who have the energy to turn his ideas into actions on the board rather than anand who lacks the energy to do so
@MatAlfre72 I have the match book from the first K-K match, I'm sure the games are also available online. A record number of draws, most of them agreed at the start of the middlegame In positions that Carlsen would be playing for a win!
It is just insane to try to hold that up as somehow more interesting than that Carlsen plays. He actually plays those positions out, and they're not all draws! It is actually such hard work to draw them that people are calling Karjakin a magician. If he pulled a win out of his hat, I'd even believe it. But Kasparov or Kramnik would not have put their opponent under any of that pressure, or threatened to win, they would have just agreed to draws because they weren't able to threaten with such small advantages.
All the past world champions who won real matches are the giants of history, but there is no reason to presume that they're somehow taller than the giant who is currently champion. That's how great Carlsen is that just surviving from a position that K vs K would have agreed a draw in is somehow seen as a strategic victory of some sort for his opponent.
It is just insane to try to hold that up as somehow more interesting than that Carlsen plays. He actually plays those positions out, and they're not all draws! It is actually such hard work to draw them that people are calling Karjakin a magician. If he pulled a win out of his hat, I'd even believe it. But Kasparov or Kramnik would not have put their opponent under any of that pressure, or threatened to win, they would have just agreed to draws because they weren't able to threaten with such small advantages.
All the past world champions who won real matches are the giants of history, but there is no reason to presume that they're somehow taller than the giant who is currently champion. That's how great Carlsen is that just surviving from a position that K vs K would have agreed a draw in is somehow seen as a strategic victory of some sort for his opponent.
The photos of all the escape artists and stars in dangerous situations only serves to highlight how devoid of pizzazz this match is, despite the elegant, though cramped venue.
There are 3 most famous grinders were mentioned in the history of chess Caplabanca, Karpov and Kramnik. But in modern times batton passed to Carlsen and he is larger than life grinder. Escaping 2 games in row against him is not sluggish. I am sure many GMs would love to learn the art of drawing a winning game against Carlsen. Kudos Karjakn. Having said that no need of another Petrosian.
What a game, what a night. Fantastic! One little problem for watchers from Europe: In prinicple 20:00 is a fantastic starting time. But... 7 hours of play let it run into the middle of night. How shall I explain my boss at work? Many thanks to ChessBase for their fantastic mixed choice of commentators!
MatAlfre72, let me remind you: Karpov-Kasparov, games 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26 draw. Games 28, 29, 30, 31 draw. Games 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45 draw.
Just compare these games to "this boredome fest" you called the match in NYC. No blasphemy detected.
Just compare these games to "this boredome fest" you called the match in NYC. No blasphemy detected.
i think next game will be scotch
After a failed assassination attempt, the IRA told Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher they only have to be lucky once while she has to be lucky every time...
And so it is in New York. The Soviet school of chess advised you should not play for three results but in Karyakin's case this is limited to playing for a draw or a loss! Before the match, much was speculated about all the help he was receiving and the intense opening preparation. Well, we have seen two Ruy's with d2-d3 ... hardly earth shattering. In every game Magnus has achieved his type of middlegame and quietly pressed while Sergey was limited to dogged defense.
No doubt Sergey has defended magnificently and deserves full credit, but this type of tightrope walking is not a path to match success. In the best case scenario, maybe he achieves a drawn match and heads for the tiebreak. I believe the difference in class will be even more pronounced if this happens. In a rapid tiebreak, it is highly unlikely that Magnus would gift Karjakin with the blunderfest we saw with Peter Svidler in the World Cup.
Carlsen tends to start slow and then go up a notch as the tournament or match progresses. In a 12 game match, the challenger needs to be at least 2-0 up by game six and hope to hang on for dear life in the second half. If the math is level after six games, it is hard to imagine that Carlsen will not win.
So far, it is entirely predictable according to rating- world #1 versus world #9 with the #9 ducking and weaving to stay out of trouble. Let's hope he creates real winning chances in the games to come.
And so it is in New York. The Soviet school of chess advised you should not play for three results but in Karyakin's case this is limited to playing for a draw or a loss! Before the match, much was speculated about all the help he was receiving and the intense opening preparation. Well, we have seen two Ruy's with d2-d3 ... hardly earth shattering. In every game Magnus has achieved his type of middlegame and quietly pressed while Sergey was limited to dogged defense.
No doubt Sergey has defended magnificently and deserves full credit, but this type of tightrope walking is not a path to match success. In the best case scenario, maybe he achieves a drawn match and heads for the tiebreak. I believe the difference in class will be even more pronounced if this happens. In a rapid tiebreak, it is highly unlikely that Magnus would gift Karjakin with the blunderfest we saw with Peter Svidler in the World Cup.
Carlsen tends to start slow and then go up a notch as the tournament or match progresses. In a 12 game match, the challenger needs to be at least 2-0 up by game six and hope to hang on for dear life in the second half. If the math is level after six games, it is hard to imagine that Carlsen will not win.
So far, it is entirely predictable according to rating- world #1 versus world #9 with the #9 ducking and weaving to stay out of trouble. Let's hope he creates real winning chances in the games to come.
On Game 4:
Disappointing annotations. No comments on any move from
Move 46. Was the defence-from that point onwards - so easy and
commonplace that it merit no explanation?
Disappointing annotations. No comments on any move from
Move 46. Was the defence-from that point onwards - so easy and
commonplace that it merit no explanation?
hess is beautiful because champions like Carlsen do everything to win, not because challengers do everything not to loose. Please don't change the meaning of the game, we don't have to come back to old habits of some players Who destroied the plaisure of the noble game.
It must be introducted a rule that oblige the challenger to play strong to win! Kings like Carlsen are a plus for chess, their honesty and courage. No applauses for the challengers who always escapes.
It must be introducted a rule that oblige the challenger to play strong to win! Kings like Carlsen are a plus for chess, their honesty and courage. No applauses for the challengers who always escapes.
"...and didn’t show the lack of match experience Kasparov displayed vs. Karpov in the beginning of their first match, which was later aborted."
Comparing Karjakin to either Karpov or Kasparov is just a blasphemy. Any of the two K's matches and all wc matches before them were a joy to watch, unlike this boredome fest we have now......
Comparing Karjakin to either Karpov or Kasparov is just a blasphemy. Any of the two K's matches and all wc matches before them were a joy to watch, unlike this boredome fest we have now......
Pionki: As we said - commentary is coming up soon.
Ha! Thanks for this, at times bonkers, commentary! ( ‘I’m sorry having to report a new evaluation, Dave. It’s not my fault.’ :D)
In football (soccer), they say not to worry about a striker who keeps missing chances - worry about one who isn't getting any chances...
In football (soccer), they say not to worry about a striker who keeps missing chances - worry about one who isn't getting any chances...
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