5/1/2016 – In the first part of the interview with Boris Gelfand we spoke about the opening, middlegame, endgame, books he loved, focusing on chess. In the second part Boris tells us about his World Championship Match, how his family supports him, and when a player should think about going professional. He has extremely useful advice for parents of chess kids, and by the end of the article you will learn how to make beetroot salad with prunes and walnuts!
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Sagar Shah interviews Boris Gelfand in the
press room of the Candidates 2016
Sagar
Shah: You
played in the
World Championship 2012 with Vishy Anand. A lot has been written and said
about it. I wouldn’t go deep into the subject. In one of the interviews
you said that you were under pressure, but still enjoyed every moment
and woke up fresh each day. How can these two contrasting feelings
of pressure and enjoyment co-exist?
Boris Gelfand: It’s a good question. This has lot
to do with one’s attitude and mindset. I remember that when I was
young I had a lot of friends around me who wanted to become a master or
a grandmaster or even a World Champion. But I never had such aims. I always
wanted to enjoy chess. That kept me motivated and ambitious for my whole
career. When I reached the World Championship Match, which is the peak in
anyone’s chess career, I said to myself that I should enjoy it. It
was easily possible that I wouldn’t have got there. When I played
the World Cup and then the Candidates there were moments when one right
move by my opponent would have sent me home. But I survived and I got
the Match, so it was natural that I should enjoy it.
You do your best, you do your utmost to win this Match but you shouldn’t
feel stressed. I took quite huge measures to isolate myself from the world
during these 20 days. My assistants and seconds kept monitoring what was
written in the newspapers and social media, sometimes there were some
ideas which could have proved to be useful, but I didn’t read
them myself. We decided to stay in a small hotel, not in the official one.
We wanted to be by ourselves, not wanting to be disturbed. After every game
I went to the press conference, then back to the hotel and after
checking my game, prepared for the next battle.
Boris with his son Avner at the airport, on
returning from his 2012 World Championship Match with Vishy Anand
SS: You
basically enjoyed this entire atmosphere of working hard and being in the
zone?
BG: Yes, absolutely! Also the month before the Match,
when I worked with my seconds, was amazing. We were locked in some place
in the Alps and every morning my seconds would be analyzing and kept changing
my partners – analyze with one guy, then another and so on. You think
about only one thing, you have only one aim. You are very inspired and in
a creative mood. Many of the ideas which we invented back then, could still
be used. From time to time they pop up and I make use of those analysis.
SS: Boris,
coming to an issue that affects almost everyone who plays chess, right from upcoming
talents to seasoned 2650 grandmasters: when do you decide that you would
like to choose chess as a career, or when can one decide to be a chess
professional?
BG: It is a very good question and at the same time a
very difficult one. It’s a tough choice. From one point of view if
you get to this level you must be talented and you enjoy chess. From the
other point of view, it is not a stable life and you do not know how long
you can sustain your career. I can even tell you that Henrik Carlsen, father
of Magnus Carlsen, asked my advice whether Magnus should become a professional.
At that time Magnus was just 15 or 16 years old. I told to them that they
should do what they think is appropriate. But I think Magnus was very lucky
with the support he received from his family, this amazing family. It’s
one of the cornerstones of his success. Such great attitude and so much
love – it was really great to see this.
According to Boris Gelfand, Magnus' family
is one of the main reasons why he is at the top right now
[picture by David Llada at the Qatar Masters Open 2015]
I had to make the decision after high school about what I wanted to do.
My family supported me but they were not sure because chess is not a stable
profession. It was the period of Iron curtain back then and I couldn’t
travel abroad. So it was a risky decision, but my motivation was so high
that I decided to go for it.
SS: So,
according to you, love for the
game is necessary to pursue it as a career?
BG: Well, I think if you are in doubt you shouldn’t
pursue it. It is only for people who are completely devoted. Of course,
if you enjoy it, you can always stay connected to chess through writing
or training or other such side activities. The good part about chess is
that it is a highly creative field. It is not easy to find another profession
which is so creative. If you pursue your academics and get a job, there
is high possibility that you would be working in the office day after day.
Whether to pursue a career in chess or not depends on personal feeling.
It is a very difficult choice to make and everyone has to decide for himself.
But to become a chess professional requires huge amount of discipline and
devotion to the game.
SS:
Were there any days or periods in your
chess career where you felt tired of the game and wanted to quit or just
get away from the chess board?
BG: I have always loved chess. You want to play, but you
do not have tournaments where you can compete against players of your level.
I played the Aeroflot Open but I don’t see any tournament coming up
in April, May or June. Maybe I am spoilt with playing tournaments only on
the absolute top level. So when I don’t have it, I don’t feel
well. I am still highly motivated and work a lot. When you work for days
and you cannot show on the board what you have worked and learnt, it’s
a little frustrating. But I have always enjoyed analyzing and whenever there
are good tournaments happening I login and follow the games.
SS:
Isn’t it sometimes boring
to keep playing the same opponents in these super tournaments?
BG: I have played quite a bit at the highest level, but
objectively speaking not as much as some of the other guys. When you play
against the best players, say someone like Kramnik, in 2013 I played
six games against him, almost each game was just so amazing. Our battles
had big fights lasting nearly seven hours. Isn’t that the reason
why you play chess? To play the top players and try to show your best.
Boris Gelfand and Vladimir Kramnik present
an elephant as a gift to Andor Lilienthal and his wife Olga, on the former's
90th birthday [Picture by Boris Dolmatovsky]
Nowadays there is a general rise in the level of play. The world is more
open and there are more than five players with whom it is interesting to
play. I played the Aeroflot Open and in each game I faced a tough challenge.
There were no easy points. There was one young opponent that I faced [Haik
Martirosyan] and it was clear that he is amazingly talented and just lacks
experience. I felt his strength during the game and he confirmed this with
his performance in the tournament. There were so many such young and talented
kids at the Aeroflot Open! I saw many Indian boys and there was this Russian
lad, Andrey Esipenko, who made a GM norm. There was also the 14-year-old
current Iranian Champion Alireza Firouzja. Even the Chinese
players were very strong.
SS:
China is really making huge strides when it comes to having
top level players.
BG: Yes, China is doing well but I am not so sure about
their structure. At the top we see strong players like Ding Liren, Li Chao,
Wei Yi, Wang Yue and others. Around eight players who are 2700+. But
if you go below you do not find a solid bank of players in the 2500 to 2700
zone. The proportion is completely distorted. One of the reasons is that
they do not play much abroad and they are under-rated. But still to have
nearly eight players in the top of world chess, and to win Olympiad and
World Team and such strong events is really an impressive feat.
SS:
A normal scenario that you see
in many tournaments is a lot of parental pressure on kids who are on their
way to becoming strong players. You are a parent and a few decades ago you
were also a prodigious player. So you are a perfect person to ask this question:
what would be your advice to such parents who put a lot of pressure on their
children?
Boris with his wife Maya and two cute little
kids Avital and Avner
BG: I think this is the worst thing that someone can do
to your kid. As we just discussed, you can take the example of Magnus who
was encouraged but not pressed by his family. It was the case with me as
well. And it really helps when you feel the support of your parents, that
they love you no matter what you do.
I was told by many players and I have witnessed the nervous atmosphere
of World Youth and Junior Championships where the parents are putting pressure
on their children. Young players should enjoy playing chess. First of all
it’s a great game and one should have fun playing it. If you enjoy,
you can achieve a lot of things. It’s not only in chess but also in
any other form of sport or art, that pressure-free kids are able to excel.
Very often I see that the parents want to make the career of their children
at the expense of the little ones. It makes me very unhappy. When I was
young there were only World U-16 and World U-20 championships. But now there
are also U-8 championships. Such event should be like a festival. But actually
there is so much tension. A child winning the world title at the age of
eight is nothing. Maybe by the age of twelve he would stop playing chess.
Someone else is not as talented and progresses step by step and he can go
much ahead.
The fuss that is created when someone wins the World title like U-8 or
U-10 is just unbelievable. Let me put it this way: such victories do
not help your chess career. You might find some local support, get some
money, hire experienced trainers and things like that, but this success
on its own does not mean much according to me. Lastly I would like to add
that it is of course necessary to maintain balance. Sometimes kids go to
tournaments as if it was a vacation. In such cases parent's intervention
would be appropriate.
SS:
Can you tell us how your family
supported you in your chess career?
Two-year-old Boris
with his parents Abram and Nella Gelfand in 1970!
BG: My parents supported me completely for my chess career.
You might have seen the movie Album 61 [check out the 69-minute documentary
at the end of this article]. It shows the positive involvement that
my father had in my chess life. Last year, at the age of 101 years, my grandmother
passed away. She was taking me to the chess school when I was six, and until
her last days she supported me.
Boris with his grandmother Sonya in 2010
When I go to tournaments these days my children do something special for
me, like draw a picture or try to call me and cheer me up. Even at the Aeroflot
Open I tried to be in touch with them through Skype. My wife also supports
me a lot. She wrote a book about me entitled How to feed a Champion.
It is about the stories of my career supported by food recipes on what she
would feed me. It currently exists in Hebrew and Russian. I don’t
know if there is someone who is interested in publishing it in English.
[Ed - Here's an excerpt from this amazing
book which we translated from Russian using Google Translate]
Shortly after my unforgettable birthday, I met with Boris. Back then
I worked at a local television station as an assistant editor and in parallel studied
my first year of university. At that time I lived with the feeling
that things are going great. I did what I like, I earned
a living, met famous people in the studio (such as Shimon Peres!)
And I even appeared on television once somewhere between a laughing and
anxious public operator.
Boris was once invited to the studio as a guest. Charming,
smart, calm. What else you need to fall in love?
I studied, worked, but could not stop thinking about him. I understood that
I had no chance. How can I dream of such a famous person? Boris
was already one of the brightest stars in the chess world.
But for some reason he took my phone number. Will he call me? And
I laughed at myself for this dream. He probably already has a girlfriend. Or
even a wife. Anyway, I don't even think he remembers me?
Months passed, I had almost forgotten about the fleeting meeting.
And then he called.
Lunch for the first date: beetroot salad with prunes and walnuts
Ingredients:
Beetroot - 1 piece
Prunes pitted - 100g
Clove of garlic - 1 piece
Walnuts - 50 grams
Mayonnaise - 30 g (tablespoon)
Salt, sugar - to taste
Cooking method:
Cook beets with peel in sweetened water.
Cool, peel and cut into cubes.
Chop finely garlic and walnuts, mix with beets.
Prunes cut into thin strips.
Mix all ingredients. Add salt and season with mayonnaise
SS: A hypothetical question, Boris:
if you were not a chess player what would you be?
BG: [In an animated tone] Why would I be doing anything
else! I enjoy being a chess player! [After some thought] I would love
to learn the piano. I have never tried, but it’s my dream to learn
it. I enjoy music and it helps me develop love for other things. Also it
would be interesting to be the manager of the football club Barcelona. Football
gives me inspiration. I like to watch games of Barcelona, EPL, German league,
basically a good game between two teams. And I like to read books.
I read many books when I can focus and am not stressed by chess.
SS: Do you read general books during
the tournament?
BG: I try. Here I started, but after long games I couldn’t
focus so I will finish it on my way back home. I am reading right now a
book by Alice Munro, a Canadian writer. I read her first book, liked it,
and got the second one. It’s based on short stories.
SS: What’s your opinion about
Chess 960?
BG: I do not see anything wrong with the current board
position. There are always talks about death of chess by draws, but it has
been going on right from the time of Capablanca. Chess has proved that it
can survive. Chess 960 is possible for exhibition matches or something like
that. For the moment there is no need to make such drastic change I believe.
Initial position on the board is extremely harmonious, while if one looks
at Chess 960 some of the positions are fine, but many of them lack harmony
and one spends first 10 to 15 moves to get a normal position on the
board. [Smiles.]
SS: The final question: one quality
of yours that is extremely impressive is your humility. How did you develop
such a humble nature?
BG: It comes from my family. It was the way I was brought
up, the way my parents taught me. You should always keep your
human side and your two feet on the ground, and that’s what I enjoy.
I don’t like to be a celebrity or a superstar. I enjoy being a normal
person. It’s nice when people recognize your achievements. In Israel
many times people come to me and say that you have made the country proud.
That really makes you feel good. But I don’t think that fame is the
most important thing.
SS: Boris, it was wonderful interviewing
you. Thanks a lot for your time and these amazing insights. I am sure many
devoted players of the game will benefit from your words of advice.
Boris Abramovich Gelfand:
A thorough gentleman and a great ambassador for the game of chess!
Watch the 69-minute
documentary Album 61 based on the life of Boris Gelfand
A huge thanks to
my wife Amruta Mokal for
helping me in transcribing this interview
Sagar ShahSagar is an International Master from India with two GM norms. He loves to cover chess tournaments, as that helps him understand and improve at the game he loves so much. He is the co-founder and CEO of ChessBase India, the biggest chess news portal in the country. His YouTube channel has over a million subscribers, and to date close to a billion views. ChessBase India is the sole distributor of ChessBase products in India and seven adjoining countries, where the software is available at a 60% discount. compared to International prices.
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