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FIDE Press release, 21 March 2022
The FIDE Ethics and Disciplinary Commission (EDC) has reached a verdict on the case 2/2022, relating to public statements by grandmasters Sergey Karjakin (FIDE ID 14109603) and Sergei Shipov (FIDE ID 4113624).
The EDC First Instance Chamber, formed by Yolander Persaud (Guyana), Ravindra Dongre (India), and Johan Sigeman (Sweden) as Chairperson, unanimously decided as follows:
Sergey Karjakin is found guilty of breach of article 2.2.10 of the FIDE Code of Ethics, and is sanctioned to a worldwide ban of six months from participating as a player in any FIDE rated chess competition, taking effect from the date of this decision, 21 March 2022.
Sergei Shipov is found not guilty of breach of article 2.2.10 of the FIDE Code of Ethics.
The article 2.2.10 of the Code of Ethics reads as follows:
“(…) Disciplinary action in accordance with this Code of Ethics will be taken in cases of occurrences which cause the game of chess, FIDE or its federations to appear in an unjustifiable unfavorable light and in this way damage its reputation.”
“The statements by Sergey Karjakin on the ongoing military conflict in Ukraine has led to a considerable number of reactions on social media and elsewhere, to a large extent negative towards the opinions expressed by Sergey Karjakin”, reads point 7.37 of the 10-page document where the EDC explains the reasons and legal background for its decision.
It continues: “A necessary condition for the establishment of guilt is that the statements have reached the public domain. This concept, with respect to disrepute clauses in sport, is not the world at large but the sport in which the accused engages, such as chess. Information concerning the accused's conduct which is not published in the media, but which can be learnt without a great deal of labour by persons engaged in the chess world or a relevant part of it, will be in the public domain and satisfy the public exposure element. The EDC Chamber is comfortably satisfied that this condition is fulfilled in this case.”
“The EDC Chamber finds, against the background given above, on the standard of comfortable satisfaction that the statements of Sergey Karjakin, which, by his own choice and presentation, can be connected to the game of chess, damage the reputation of the game of chess and/or FIDE. The likelihood that these statements will damage the reputation of Sergey Karjakin personally is also considerable”, it concludes.
The Chamber explains its decision to not sanction Sergei Shipov with the following argument: “In comparison with Sergey Karjakin, Sergei Shipov is considerably less known and has, therefore, a less powerful platform. The statements made by Sergei Shipov are also of a slightly different and less provocative character than the ones made by Karjakin. In an overall evaluation of the potential negative impact on the game of chess and/or FIDE, the EDC Chamber is not sufficiently convinced that Sergei Shipov’s statements qualify as a breach of article 2.2.10.”
Sergey Karjakin has been advised by EDC that this decision may be appealed to the Appeal Chamber of the EDC by giving written notice of such appeal to the FIDE Secretariat within 21 days from the date upon which this decision is received. The notice of appeal must clearly state all the grounds for the appeal. Failing the due exercise of this right of appeal, the EDC Chamber's decision will become final.
The right for free speech is always restricted with people who cannot tolerate counter-opinions. In this aspect you and Putin are ideological twins.
"But if you are absolutely crazy about raising the right to speak freely, then why not write to the Russian government, demanding that Karjakin be allowed to speak freely?"
Because that would be a stupid thing to do. Karjakin obviously genuinely supports Putin and Russia, it would be ridiculous to be worried about Karjakin's freedom of speech being stifled by Putin. Putin stifles his opposition, not his supporters. Karjakin's freedom of speech is being stifled by FIDE.
This is the quote you attributed to Karjakin:
"Almost all the soliders who are captured by them are brutally tortured and killed."
This is the actual quote:
"This video is dedicated to everyone who supports the Ukrainian army. Almost all the soldiers who are captured by them are brutally tortured and killed. Think about who you support… https://twitter.com/raczylo/status/1508039261932642304"
So, Karjakin speaks about the same video that "Global Thinker" was speaking about. Strangely-enough, you again ommitted this video. The video is about Russian POW's being subdued, humiliated, tortured and killed by Ukrainian soldiers. Karjakin is outraged because of it and says that almost all Russian POWs are "brutally tortured and killed". So, if the video is saying the truth, then it is an evidence of war crimes being perpetrated. I don't know how you think about this, but I think we should ideally expose all war criminals, Russians and Ukrainians and they should answer for their crimes.
I advise everyone to check our earlier comments. The "evidence" you have presented was a tweet that you quoted out of context, misrepresented and then attributed it to Karjakin, who probably was not the author of that tweet. So, the "evidence" that you consider to be "overwhelming" was actually your fabrication.
You also lie when you say that my asking for your identity would be caused by the "overwhelming" "evidence". No. The only reason I'm asking for your identity is, because you are acting in ill faith and accuse decent people with being FSB agents or idiots. You can rest assured that I also have an opinion about you and I'm sure I'm not alone with it. Yet, there is an etiquette for debates, that is, we don't threaten, don't mock (too much) the other, we try to understand the other side with an open mind and to respond to it with proper arguments. Nobody is perfect, but most people try to improve and to be a respectable participant in the debate. I say "most", meaning hat some people do not try to improve.
You say that you asked GMs. No proof. You also said that you have a Phd. No proof. You also claimed that you are a former secret service officer. I think all these claims can be summed up with "Me BIG, you small. Me STRONG. You weak. Me INTERESTING. You boring". Sorry to break it down to you, but the majority of chess players are thinkers, so the majority sees right through your remarks.
"even more grateful that he would never ever be treated with respect outside of Russia again"
So, according to you Karjakin is not entitled for human dignity. Because of his opinion.
01) Putin's advisers perceived Karajkin as a realistic bid for a world chess champion. Karajkin was therefore offered by Putin Russian citizenship and solid financial backing in exchange for fighting to become Russian world chess champion.
02) Karjakin himself assesses that Ukraine has difficulty in helping him reach his goal, and this was instrumental in him changing his citizenship.
03) Russia gave Karjakin massive support in the World Cup match against Magnus Carlsen. Karjakin's dependence on Putin is therefore clear. But he had not needed to repeat Putin's motives for invading Ukraine verbatim.
Nevertheless, this is exactly what he did in a public letter to Putin, in which he outside any discussion calls the Ukrainian government Nazis who are dangerous to Europe's security. When one considers that President Zelensky is a Jew and his family fought for the Soviets against the Nazis during World War II, it is an extreme statement. Which in my eyes shows that Karjakin like Putin is an unscrupulous and character-deviating personality who does not set natural limits to what he allows himself, as long as it supports his own cause.
04) Shortly after the invasion of Ukraine, Putin introduces a decree that it can give up to 15 years in prison to comment critically on the invasion of Ukraine. This decree can be briefly summarized : In Russia there is complete freedom of speech as long as one say the same as Putin. We are all equal but some are more ewual that other.
The right to speak freely has every day in all countries been subject to restrictions to ensure that the innocent do not become victims of hate crimes.
Karjakin has spoken in a way that a significant majority in and outside FIDE believes are lies about citizens of Ukraine that endangers their lives. Hence the sanctions. which only becomes more server when the full truth of what he has said comes to light.
But if you are absolutely crazy about raising the right to speak freely, then why not write to the Russian government, demanding that Karjakin be allowed to speak freely? Because as a Russian citizen, Karjakin will get 15 years in jail if he criticizes Putin's decisions. The right to this and the right to that always sound hollow when it comes from Russia. They invoke democratic freedoms in the West that they could never dream of accepting at home.
Genocide is defined in the 1948 Genocide Convention as a deliberate attempt to wipe out a national, ethnic, racial or religious group in whole or in part. Genocide or incitement to genocide may be dealt with by ICC.
I will end this completely futile discussion with FSB saying that I hope one day can be transferred to the ICC, and experts in the field can assess whether Karjakin is calling for genocide of the people of Ukraine. The seriousness of what Karajkin writes no longer belongs on a debate site or twitter.
It is clear that when a well-known chess player in Russia writes like this, then it has a huge influence on the attitude in Russia to the legitimacy of bombing Ukraine to pieces. He legitimizes the violence against the citizen of Ukraine. The problem, of course, is the same as with the majority of his tweet, it is not true.
It is the same manipulations when Karajkin retweet that the citizens of Mariupol welcome Russian liberators. The majority of the citizens of the city have fled to the west unless they have been shot or deported to the east by the Russians. The city is practically leveled !
Lajosarpad always has an explanation for Karjakin's call for violence against citizens of Ukraine. He always finds a manipulative angle. He says he is not the FSB, but he behaves like the FSB. When evidence of Karjakin's support for a war crime becomes overwhelming, he demands personal information from the person who appears with the do, documentation. He has all the character traits of a criminal organization that the FSB has.
I am deeply grateful that the vast majority of chess players around the world support the quarantine of Karjakin, and even more grateful that he would never ever be treated with respect outside of Russia again. When have seen the real Karjakin, and it has been a disgusting experience.
I have already told you that I don´t know what Karjakin has said. I have only asked (in this Karjakin business) what is the difference between opinion and hate talk attack.
If Karjakin is just saying his opinion like for example "Quanber is an idiot." then this sentence is just a subjective opinion of Karjakin. If Karjakin says:" Quanber is idiot" and you, Quanber, also agree that then this sentence is an objective opinion. If I and all other people also agree with that you are an idiot then the sentence is objective truth. If Karjakin starts a hate attack like:"Take all the Ukrainians to be killed and conquer their land" then this sentence is criminal hate talk that should be punished.
Since you have:
1. Taken out the quote from its context and presented a different meaning
2. Attributed the quote to Karjakin, assuming that he was the author
you have lied at least on two levels. Yes, Putin's war is terrible. Yes, the Ukraine has every right for self-defense. But no, the quote was not actual incitement, but a description of how the execution of POW affects the opinions of people, especially in Russia. And no, we have no reasons to assume that it was written by Karjakin.
In your earlier post you have attributed the following quote to Karjakin:
"People are calling for destruction of Ukraine and hoisting the red flag in Kiev, mood Ukraine = ISIS. People in Russia call for tougher strikes on all of Ukraine.
Ukraine shot itself in the head."
I searched for this quote and found this page: https://mobile.twitter.com/sergeykaryakin/with_replies
Karjakin's original tweet was: "Thanks God nothing changes in my life if I play or don't play some tournaments. It was never anything financial special, unfortunately.
And if you think I am dreaming about them, just one fact:
I was invited to play in Norway chess and declined to play there few weeks ago!😂😂😂"
Someone called "Global Thinker" retweeted this with a tweet that contains the quote you have attributed to Karjakin. So, "Global Thinker" has written the following:
"The video of Ukrainian soldiers shooting Russian POWs is going viral in China. People are calling for destruction of Ukraine and hoisting the red flag in Kiev, mood Ukraine = ISIS. People in Russia call for tougher strikes on all of Ukraine.
Ukraine shot itself in the head."
Finally, since you repeatedly accuse people here, would you care to share your real name, so we can check whether you indeed have a Phd as you claim? Of course, assuming that you do not want to hide behind that nickname while you attack the dignity of others.
@arzi I agree with you. We should try to amiably discuss our differences in opinion. I have no reason to doubt that you and others are goodwilling people, sharing their opinion. Except for people who, instead of attacking the arguments, attack the person. Quanber is an excellent example of how one should not behave in a discussion.
The large majority of commenters here strongly disagree with violence.
"Like when on his twitter account he takes boxing gloves on writing spring for Russia. During World War II, many were shot for less. After all, FIDE only gives a 6-month quarantine"
Are the summary executions committed in WWII something you would like to apply today? Is this how you fight violence?
"It may well be that Karajkin does not mean what he writes at all, because he has a gun to the head, in the form of financial support and 15 years in prison for expressing himself opposite."
Nobody has to express open support for Putin, Karjakin does that without being forced. In Russia you will face dire consequences if you oppose Putin. So, if you dislike his war and policies inside Russia, then you either remain silent, or, if you are brave, then speak up against it. Karjakin did not remain silent.
"Time and time again, we must be presented with the pure lie stories of lajosarpad, JanneKejo and others for the sole purpose of pressuring and to believe that it is contrary to freedom of expression when Karjakin cannot support Putin. "
Can you show me a single example when, according to you I lied? Do you realize that, if you are making baseless claims about decent people here, then your other claims will not be taken seriously?
"If you think the rest of us should be forced to accept views as free from Russians under these conditions you are just an idiot or an FSB troll."
:)
"The conclusion is each time the same. It's not a person, it's an organization like FSB .."
Can you show me the thread where you asked this?
"Karjakin officially support one of the worst war criminal i history , Putin."
I think there are quite a lot of war criminals who did much more terrible things than Putin. Putin is still terrible, but history is a long sequence of events, among which we can find many examples of much more egregious acts than we see today in Ukraine.
"You can not change that conculsion, no matter how many hateful and arrogant FSB notes you produce. "
Sorry to break it down, but you are displaying the most hate in this thread, with personal attacks on others.
The answer is yes from 99,9 % of those people who have studied his statements. Which includes GM´s I have asked.
Arzi "disagree" without any evidence for the opposite point of view. He just "disagree". I can live with that arzi, JanneKejo and Lajospard cant read his Twitter account when everyboydy else can. FSB of course also agree with arzi.
People are calling for destruction of Ukraine and hoisting the red flag in Kiev, mood Ukraine = ISIS. People in Russia call for tougher strikes on all of Ukraine. Ukraine shot itself in the head.
Can anyone tell me why this is not incitement to violence? Karajkin states on behalf of all the people on the planet ( apart fra Ukraine) that they want Ukraine destroyed. Ethnics purified for citizens of Ukraine who are all Nazis. But he hide that 141 nations and their billions of citizens have called Putin's invasion of Ukraine a war crime.
Karajkin has on his Twitter account completely without the shadow of evidence accused a major group of citizens of Ukraine of being Nazis. As an argument that it is justified to bomb them to death. He has supported Putin's views all along, which also includes accusing the Jew and President Zelensky of being Nazis. It's insane.
During World War II, Hitler used the term "de-lice Germany for Jews". Now Putin uses the term "de-Nazify Ukraine". This is this violent, psychopathic lying factory that Karajkin has supported. Many of those killed by his bombs had family that fought against Nazi Germany. It is so evil.
Karjakin has also said that it is Russian money that keeps FIDE going and if Russian interests were not protected FIDE would be finished.
You know what Karajakin, go to hell with your blood money, and take all Putins oligarchs with you. The chess will survive in fine conditions without your robot chess. At the same time we welcome the 30 brave GM´s from Russia who sign a letter in order to stop the war.
Karjakin has expressed strong support for a war criminal, and he has documented done with images that incite violence against Ukraine. Like when on his twitter account he takes boxing gloves on writing spring for Russia. During World War II, many were shot for less. After all, FIDE only gives a 6-month quarantine
It may well be that Karajkin does not mean what he writes at all, because he has a gun to the head, in the form of financial support and 15 years in prison for expressing himself opposite. But we must then take a stand on this when he has regained his freedom of speech. Dont ever call it freedom of speech when a guy with a gun to his head expres his opinion.
Time and time again, we must be presented with the pure lie stories of lajosarpad, JanneKejo and others for the sole purpose of pressuring and to believe that it is contrary to freedom of expression when Karjakin cannot support Putin.
Luckily millions of sane chesdsplayers disagree.
Are you an FSB troll? Full of hate and arrogance and zero ability to think?
How marvelous, claim of such calibre is really worth of the title of PhD.
As i see it, it is hidden aproach, how CIA trolls can try switch the side, hoping for asylum in Russia.
If you think the rest of us should be forced to accept views as free from Russians under these conditions you are just an idiot or an FSB troll. I've asked other chess players here what they think of a person who can produce up to 30 posts a day on all sorts of platforms.
The conclusion is each time the same. It's not a person, it's an organization like FSB .. A conclusion you have only cemented with the latest posts.
Karjakin officially support one of the worst war criminal i history , Putin. Given his position it makes a tremendous negative impact on young chessplayers. . You can not change that conculsion, no matter how many hateful and arrogant FSB notes you produce.
Karajkin dont die from his support, as the people shot by Putin. But if Karjakin repeat his support when he is a free man , he should be banned for life.
Full of hate and arrogance
Zero ability to think
Next time express yuorself freely inside Russia with critics of Putin and sent me a note when you are out of jail in 15 years.
i.) In this case, FIDE stifles his free speech by banning him from tournaments for it
ii.) In this case, FIDE punishes Karjakin for being pressurized into saying something, which is even worse than i.)
That is why my firm belief is that Einstein wanted the atomic bomb developed because he feared that Nazi Germany came first. Something that was emphasized by the German physicist Werner Heisenberg's woolly statements to Niels Bohr on the subject. It is also clear that he later regret , because the actual use of atomic bombs was totally against Einstein's humanitarian stance.
Very few people want nuclear weapons to ever be used. The exceptions are almost all politicians who are too stupid to grasp what they are dealing with. A weapon that ensures that all nations lose a confrontation.
Every time you discuss the use of nuclear weapons in Japan, you should try to sit in the same chair as the military leadership in the United States. Is it fair that the US sends a million young men to their deaths to stop Japan? Is there any kind of shortcut to get the emperor to surrender? Therefore, Operation Downfall was replaced by the two atomic bombs.
Which in parentheses noticed after all did not work. The Japanese emperor initially refused to surrender. It was more the fear of the result of the Russians' attack than the American bombs that made it a surrender.
The fear of a nuclear attack on Ukraine or the West from Russia is totally ridiculous. The military leaders in Russia with the power to decide this are extremely much more intelligent than the little KGB again Putin. They do not want to celebrate the victory over the West in a Moscow that has disappeared in a radioactive cloud of dust.
What was notable at the press conference was the absence of Putin and the leader of the military, Sergei Shoigu. They should, of course, be present during such a marked event. Instead we saw
Sergei Rudskoi, a senior representative of the General Staff, Defence Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov and the butcher of Mariupol Mikhail Mizintsev, head of the Russian National Defence Control Centre.
The presumption of some kind of internal disagreement is strengthened by the presence of the violent psychopath Mikhail Mizintsev, who in stature and cynicism is very reminiscent of Heinrich Himmler. He is usually not allowed to appear on TV because his mental state quickly reveals itself if he speaks. Against this background, it is likely that Putin's power has been weakened.
It may also be to protect him that he is not participating. It is clear that Putin's insane invasion of Ukraine will cost him the power if the Russian people learn the truth about the slaughter that has taken place, not least through family members on both sides of the border who have lost relatives. He is being hunted wild now, by innocent people who have lost everything.
It is completely irrelevant whether Karjakin means what he says or whether he is forced to say what he says. The statements come from a person who is in Russia, with the threat of 15 years in prison if he means anything other than Putin, and therefore he has per. definition no freedom of speech.
Together with arzi you drown the freedom of speech here. Every time something fruitful started up, you overturn 20 posts in a row so the debate disappears. You say you are not an FSB, but you behave completely as the FSB would have done to drown factual information.
Just a note: Salty water is heavier than fresh water. You have written the other way around. Did you mean it, or were you intending to write that salty water is heavier than fresh water?
@Martas Lots of Japanese were also quite fanatical in the fourties (think about the kamikaze, for example), yet attitudes and opinions changed. The Russians 20 years from now (if there will still be life on the planet) will be very different from now.
@MauvaisFou I'm not an arbiter, nor a tournament organizer, but as a chess enthusiast, I would expect impartiality from the arbiter towards the players. If Ivanchuk would avoid playing Karjakin, then Karjakin would win the game by forfeit, according to chess rules. Yet, if I was a Ukrainian and I would also be a candidate and I would have very hard feelings towards Sergey Karjakin, then I would see the two games against him to be a means to nonviolently defeat the Russian establishment and propaganda, or at least to lend them a blow.
My comparing for iron and cotton is part of old russian/ukrainian joke from 2009 year, or may be older. It is not my fault, than you reacted as (you know...).
Arzi: "Don´t worry, Putin has had a longer period of time to use than Hitler."
Your trolling changed nothing in fact, that France and GB failed at their duty keep Germany demilitarised.
Yes, sure, but I was rather thinking of how you would handle the two games SK vs say Ivantchuk, since you would not have banned SK - and other players might also feel uneasy with SK, not to say more.
Or is it just me. Imaginations run riot, with this war still on.
I guess salt concentration is "lighter". At least fresh water is heavier than regular salty water. Difference between regular wave and tsunami might even be about 200 m/s, far from the coast. Closer to the coast (lower bottom) the tsunami moves more slowly and increases in altitude, the momentum is still the same.
Did you know that with a tsunami you can basically measure the depth of the sea?
How about salt concentration in tsunami compared to regular sea waves at the coast? :-)
Martas knew the physics but you seem to be "dumb or dumber", right? Which one is heavier 1 kg cotton or 1 kg iron? A tough question. Density with volume and you get mass so called "heavier". Never heard about air resistance?
There is wrong question. Correct would be: "What is heavier? Iron or cotton?"
Answer is simple - Iron. When will fall on your head 1 kg of cotton and then 1 kg of iron, you will imediately reckognize difference. No need vacuum.
At least it is only play but you seem to be the real one.
oxygenes:"And for France - almost 7 years France plays 3 apes, may be not long enough for you, but it was enough for Hitler."
Don´t worry, Putin has had a longer period of time to use than Hitler.