ECU suspends the Russian and Belarusian Chess Federations

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3/5/2022 – The Board of the European Chess Union met in an extraordinary session this week. The organization strongly condemned the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the involvement of Belarus, and expressed its solidarity for the Ukrainian people. Notably, the Board decided to suspend the Russian and Belarusian Chess Federations. Individual players from these countries will be excluded from all ECU competitions unless they change federation or by their expressed will represent the FIDE flag in the rating list.

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Press release by the European Chess Union

European Chess UnionThe Board of the European Chess Union met in extraordinary session on Thursday, 3rd of March to discuss the situation in Ukraine and appropriate measures.

The European Chess Union strongly condemns the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the involvement of Belarus, and expresses its solidarity and support for the Ukrainian people. We feel deep sorrow for all the victims of the war and their families.

The ECU condemns the members of the chess community who have expressed their support for the brutal and unacceptable invasion of Ukraine.

The ECU is setting up a special communication channel for any person or entity willing to assist the Ukrainian #Chess Community. For this purpose, the special hashtag #supportUkraineChess has been established. Already several offers of assistance have been received from European federations.

The ECU Board, taking in consideration the recent decisions of FIDE Council, the recommendations of the IOC and acting within its constitutional powers declares:

  1. The ECU is committed to the ECU General Assembly 2014 unanimous resolution respecting sports jurisdiction according to the IOC rules and territorial integrity according to the UN maps and resolutions.      
  2. Since the participation of Ukrainian Chess players in the forthcoming European Championships and thus their qualification to the World Championship cycle is constrained, ECU will initiate a qualification event to be organized in 2023 with special zonal qualification spots allocated for the respective Ukraine’s zone.
  3. With immediate effect, ECU suspends the Russian and Belarusian Chess Federations. The consequences include, but are not limited to:
    • ECU suspends all competitions/events/seminars to be held in both Russia and Belarus and prohibits the display and use of both countries’ flags, anthems, colors, and symbols.
    • With immediate effect, Russian and Belarusian national teams and clubs will be excluded from all events on the ECU calendar. The decision shall be ratified by the ECU General Assembly. ECU notes that the major European team events are scheduled for October and November 2022.    
    • Individual players representing Russian or Belarusian federations shall be excluded from all ECU competitions unless they change federation or by their expressed will represent the FIDE flag in rating list*.
    • No trainer, arbiter or official from Russia or Belarus will perform any duty during the forthcoming European Chess Championships or in any subsequent ECU events.
  4. The ECU Board notes the proposal of the Ukrainian Chess Federation to expel the Russian Chess Federation, and this matter together with the above ECU Board decisions shall be considered by the following ECU General Assembly. With a strong concern, the ECU Board emphasizes that the Supervisory Board and Board of Trustees of the Russian Chess Federation include several sanctioned individuals, including the Russian Minister of Defence. The ECU Board recommends that the matter should be considered urgently by FIDE.

*Official application to FIDE: federations@fide.com

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arzi arzi 3/16/2022 09:59
Lajosarpad:"When we discuss about a theory, then we have a factual basis and based on the facts we try to find out what reality is."

Before proven its´s correctness a theory is just a theory, Speculation.

Lajosarpad:"I believe the concept of dictatorship needs no clarification. Yet, you are right to wonder about what an "open dictatorship" is. Open dictatorship is a dictatorship that is felt by the common people as well. While there are dictatorships which are only felt by decision-makers and intellectuals. The Russian dictatorship is open, that is, even common people could get easily into trouble if they call the war a "war"

Never heard before about open dictatorship, but thanks for the clarification.
Ajeeb007 Ajeeb007 3/15/2022 01:13
Keshava's minority view is disputable. Google "The Weakness of the Despot". There "real" scholar Stephen Kotkin disagrees with this minority view.

"I have only the greatest respect for George Kennan. John Mearsheimer is a giant of a scholar. But I respectfully disagree. The problem with their argument is that it assumes that, had NATO not expanded, Russia wouldn’t be the same or very likely close to what it is today. What we have today in Russia is not some kind of surprise. It’s not some kind of deviation from a historical pattern. Way before NATO existed—in the nineteenth century—Russia looked like this: it had an autocrat. It had repression. It had militarism. It had suspicion of foreigners and the West. This is a Russia that we know, and it’s not a Russia that arrived yesterday or in the nineteen-nineties. It’s not a response to the actions of the West. There are internal processes in Russia that account for where we are today."
lajosarpad lajosarpad 3/15/2022 10:54
@arzi when we are discussing a rumor, we discuss something we have heard or read from not 100% reliable sources. We can do that, but I choose not to at this point. I have no issue if you think about them though.

When we discuss about a theory, then we have a factual basis and based on the facts we try to find out what reality is. So there is a difference between the two, but, again, there is nothing wrong if you consider rumors to be more important than I do.

I do not "hide" behind experts, but I honestly admit that the thoughts I have shared are not 100% mine, because, if I'm right, it is not solely my achievement. This is similar to the case when I write scientific articles. It is always necessary to attribute sources, so it is clear what my thoughts are and what I have drawn from other works.

I believe the concept of dictatorship needs no clarification. Yet, you are right to wonder about what an "open dictatorship" is. Open dictatorship is a dictatorship that is felt by the common people as well. While there are dictatorships which are only felt by decision-makers and intellectuals. The Russian dictatorship is open, that is, even common people could get easily into trouble if they call the war a "war".
arzi arzi 3/14/2022 12:27
Lajosarpad:"I do not speculate about rumors, especially in wartime when there are several sides trying to win the information war by deceit.

The point is that in the hypothetical situation we discuss, Russa + EU could become the dominating force for good and the USA could do nothing about it."

Come on. First you say:"I do not speculate about rumors." and then you say: " The point is that in the hypothetical situation ..." It doesn´t matter if it is rumor or theory. It is still a speculation, guessings. Do not try to hide behind the experts. They are also trying to guess. Also, when we talked about EU + Russia, we were speculating that Russia is democratic nation and not attacking on Ukraine. By the way, what did you mean by the phrase, "open dictatorship"? Open for what?
lajosarpad lajosarpad 3/14/2022 11:45
I do not speculate about rumors, especially in wartime when there are several sides trying to win the information war by deceit.

The point is that in the hypothetical situation we discuss, Russa + EU could become the dominating force for good and the USA could do nothing about it. So, according to experts, USA's interest is to prevent that from happening. However, now that Russia is an open dictatorship and attacked Ukraine, this is far-fetched, until at least there is a switch of power in Russia.
arzi arzi 3/14/2022 08:40
Lajosarpad:"Russia + the EU would be a player of a different caliber than Russia, because the EU has strong economy and Russia has a strong military, not to mention the vast territory of the two. Such an alliance could become the world's dominating force economically, militarily and politically. That is something the USA would not want, since the current #1 force in the world, the USA would lose its hegemony for good."

Could be, would be. Two totally different meaning. First one is just a possibility, the second one consequence. EU+Russia could be the world's dominating force. USA would lose its hegemony for good. USA can do nothing if EU and Russia decide to start a democratic life together. In fact, USA doesn’t even care about that. Both USA and EU+Russia would then have similar societies and economic rules. The countries should conclude agreements with each other to avoid a trade wars. It is not possible to cooperate with China at the same level, at least as long as Chinese rulers do not act like democracies.

Did you read/hear a rumor that China asked Putin to start the war against Ukraine only after the Olympics? If true, China has a great influence on Russia. We had at the same time a rumor also in Finland. If Finland win a gold metal in ice hockey in Olympics Russia will attack on Finland. We were wrong about the target, it was Ukraine. One possibility for a wrong target is that Russia made a mistake about the place of Ukraine and Finland on the map?
Jacob woge Jacob woge 3/13/2022 09:23
“Finland has never been a threat to Russia, but now we are a part of EU. Even then we are not a threat to anyone, but the dictators see threats everywhere.”

Or opportunities. “What Brutopia wants, Brutopia takes.” C. Barks, 195x.

If you compare rethorics used before the Winter War with rethorics used before the russian Ukraine invasion, you will note quite a few similarities.

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I have a notion the Russian sentiment towards the West can be compared with a snippet from Stephen King’s “The Shining”: Imagine a park of box trees, cut in the shape of various animals. If you find yourself in the park, you have to look at them. Focus. Every time your attention drops, or you look away, they creep closer. And there is this eerie feeling, if they get to you, they will tear you apart.

To Russia, this is what has happened since the end of the USSR. As in a horror movie: we have not been paying attention, and they are creeping closer. But unlike the movie’s main character, Russia is not a 5 year old boy. Better act now, before someone myopic is in charge.

Chess is the cultural pivot game of Russia. In chess, you don’t negotiate. A touch of paranoia makes you a better player - after all, “the guy sitting at side of the board has evil in mind.”

Quoting ... Larsen, I think.
lajosarpad lajosarpad 3/12/2022 12:18
@arzi

"Even you don´t believe in that sentence."

You say this about my point according to which the USA would not let the EU and Russia to get close to each-other. Yet, the reason for my writing of this thought is that I consider it to be true. I provided a book written by an expert, Zbigniew Brzezinski, so, this is actually not my thought, but the thought of one of the top experts, who happened to write about this a best seller book, so I have very good reasons to consider this seriously. So, while you may disagree, I would welcome to see actual arguments for your opposing position. And of course, comparing Russia with China is invalid here, because we are speaking about a hypothetical situation when Russia and the EU get close to each other, forming an alliance. Russia + the EU would be a player of a different caliber than Russia, because the EU has strong economy and Russia has a strong military, not to mention the vast territory of the two. Such an alliance could become the world's dominating force economically, militarily and politically. That is something the USA would not want, since the current #1 force in the world, the USA would lose its hegemony for good.
arzi arzi 3/11/2022 02:18
Lajosarpad:"The USA would never let Russia and the EU to get close to each-other."

Even you don´t believe in that sentence. USA prevent Russia to come a democratic state. USA does not want Russia become a member of EU. It is totally up to Russia. Does Russia want to have a democracy in it´s nation? As long as there is a dictator ruling Russia that thought about "USA would not let Russia and the EU to get close each-other" is total useless. USA knows perfectly well that the main opponent of it´s country is not Russia but China. Russia does not know that some day China will eat Russia with the great appetite and says: "thanks, it was gooood."
lajosarpad lajosarpad 3/11/2022 01:26
@arzi I did not claim that the war's cause is the minority problem. I claimed that there IS a minority problem. I'm sure that the minority problem contributes to the cause of the war, but the main cause - as you have also described - is that Russia was losing influence over the Ukraine and NATO was about to plant large forces, including nuclear devices into the Ukraine. The plight of the Russian minority is a problem which the Russian propaganda machine uses in order to make this war acceptable for the Russian people.

The USA would never let Russia and the EU to get close to each-other. Brzezinski, a geopolitical expert has written The Grand Chessboard, an excellent book that I have read a few years ago. In that book, the author argues that the USA's main geopolitical interests include that there should always be tension between European countries and Russia, because if the two sides would ever get along well, if they would form an alliance, then that would endanger the USA's hegemony. So, while Putin is indeed a dictator, even if there would be a much more acceptable leader at the head of Russia, the USA would try and create tensions between the EU and Russia. This is what the ruthless logic of the current situation dictates. See https://books.google.ro/books/about/The_Grand_Chessboard.html?id=ealVDgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button&hl=en&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
arzi arzi 3/10/2022 01:46
To lajosarpad: The war in Ukraine, now, is not because of the minority problem. The cause of the war is the fear. The fear of losing influence on Ukraine. Power play between the west and the east, still the same shit as before. There would be no need any of this "game" if Russia had no dictator. Russia could be a fully respected member of Europe, the EU. Russia would not need to keep it´s army near our borders if Russia had a democratic society. Actually Russia could be also a part of the Nato. Watching closely what China is doing. USA also has it`s own interests that are not always the same as EU`s. There are too many "players" in our planet, in the place that is becoming smaller to all of us. Too many people on earth and all of them wants to have a same standard of living as here in Finland or Hungary. It is understandable and they have a right for the dream. Whether a dream is feasible is a different matter.
lajosarpad lajosarpad 3/10/2022 12:06
@arzi "Russia is to blame for this war, now." Agreed!

As pointed out earlier, in short term it is not an option to stop buying Russian gas. A reliable source of energy is needed before that's even considered. By the way, other EU members are also buying Russian gas and if they stop doing so now, then there will be huge problems with supplying the energy. Also, criticizing Hungary for buying Russian gas before the war and pressurizing Ukraine in order to help minorities is strange, since the war erupted later and at times prior to the war, there was (surprise!) no war yet.

"Are 100% (or even 75%) sure that Russia did not put pressure on Hungary in its decisions on Ukraine and the EU? "

To answer your question, I do not know what happened behind the scenes.

What I do know is that Hungarians are being oppressed in Ukraine and that Ukraine did not stop doing so. So, it is a perfectly logical position that we try to pressurize Ukraine into changing its policies towards the minorities. It turned out that oppressing minorities was more important for Ukraine than Hungary's support in admitting Ukraine into the EU. Yet, a failed state such as the Ukraine usually has a long procedure to fulfill before it enters the EU, so, even if Hungary would have supported its admission, it would have not been a member state yet when Russia invaded it.
arzi arzi 3/9/2022 11:50
Lajosarpad:"Am I correct in assuming that you do not propose that Hungarians should freeze to death in solidarity with Ukraine?"

No, of course I want Hungarians have a warm and safe feeling. But when you make a deal with a bear you also have to remember the consequences. Finland will probably pay for this war hundreds of millions, because of energy, and we live little norther than Hungarians, but we will survive. Easy solutions, for example, the energy solutions may become very expensive. You may lose the independent power to decide your own affairs in state level. Someone else make the decisions for you. Yes, perhaps the fault of the war in Ukraine was "our" fault, but the main fact remains. Russia is to blame for this war, now.

Lajosarpad:"Ukraine never fulfilled this condition, so, Hungary opposed it."

Russia had nothing to do with this? At least Ukraine was trying to meet, for example, minority issues in order to enter the EU. Are 100% (or even 75%) sure that Russia did not put pressure on Hungary in its decisions on Ukraine and the EU?

Lajosarpad:"Perhaps Putin in his new Soviet ambitions considers the fact that Finland has successfully defended itself against a Soviet invasion earlier."

Finland has never been a threat to Russia, but now we are a part of EU. Even then we are not a threat to anyone, but the dictators see threats everywhere.
lajosarpad lajosarpad 3/9/2022 11:10
@arzi Also, Hungary prevented the approachment of Ukraine to the West for years. The statement is true, yet the reason is not mentioned. Hungary stated that it will support Ukraine in joining NATO and the EU if Ukraine stops persecuting Hungarians. Ukraine never fulfilled this condition, so, Hungary opposed it. Hungary committed a mistake in 2007 when it allowed Romania to join the EU without asking Romania to treat its Hungarian minorities better. I'm sure that if Finnish people would live in Ukraine and they would have been oppressed, then Finland would have done everything it could in order to somehow protect them. So, if protecting the Hungarian minority against oppression is a sin, then Hungary is guilty.

"Yes, Putin has regretted not choosing Finland to attack. "

Perhaps Putin in his new Soviet ambitions considers the fact that Finland has successfully defended itself against a Soviet invasion earlier.
lajosarpad lajosarpad 3/9/2022 11:10
@arzi Yes, if one write something without unshakable proofs, then that's qualified as an opinion and nothing more. Agreed.

Thank you for your criticism, I assume that it was written with good intent. I try to be short, but in many cases, in order to properly present the arguments I need to use more words. It is not an attempt to overpower you or anybody else. If my thoughts could be written in a shorter manner, but my comment is still lengthy, then I guess it is due to the imperfect nature of my person.

"Pss. Maybe Keshava is right? Is Hungary a part of West?
News:"Europe has a loyal supporter of Putin: Hungary is dependent on Russian gas and has also prevented the approchement of the West and Ukraine for years." "

It is always good to try and see things in perspective. Hungary is part of the West, both of the EU and NATO. Yet, Hungary buys Russian gas and if Hungary would sanction Russia by not buying gas, then it would have some effect on the Russian economy though (some profits would not be earned by the Russians), but Hungarians would freeze to death in a colder winter. An alternative is to buy American "liquid gas" at 4x the price, but that is not even an option short-term. It would be good to make sure to only make sanctions against Russia if those sanctions are hurting the Russian economy more than us. Because if we do not buy Russian gas, Russia will just sell it to China. Am I correct in assuming that you do not propose that Hungarians should freeze to death in solidarity with Ukraine?
arzi arzi 3/8/2022 02:43
Lightening: "According to the US joke magazine, Biden urged Putin to attack Finland instead of Ukraine. According to the humor site, it would also be an advantage to attack Finland that there is Santa's Workshop in Finland, which is not the case in Ukraine. Finland has also one-eighth of Ukraine's population and still has a double GDP. Thus, connecting, according to The Onion -magazine, would be “easy” and would bring “value for money”.

Yes, Putin has regretted not choosing Finland to attack.
arzi arzi 3/8/2022 02:06
To lajosarpad:"Keshava's point was that the current crisis is the West's fault. While it is interesting to see the pro and counter arguments for such claims, it is obvious that for instance Keshava did not claim that Ukrainians separated from the Soviet Union against their will. Yet, you respond to Keshava as if he made that claim."

Yes, I agree with you it is just a Keshava's point of view, no more no less. Even though some professor would say or write it in his paper, "Why is Ukraine the West's Fault", those texts are just opinions. Or are they?

Lajosarpad:"An advice: don't use straw man arguments and then you will not be accused of that. You should be confident-enough about your position in a debate in order to try and use proper arguments to make your case."

An advice also to you: do not try to be too clever with your words. Do not try to overpower your "opponent" with thousands of words. Try to say things briefly and accurately at least once a life. Sometimes I`m too tired to read all the thousands of words you’re trying to feed me. Sorry in advance.

Ps. Do try to use less "straw men arguments", not just to me. New arguments are needed.

Pss. Maybe Keshava is right? Is Hungary a part of West?
News:"Europe has a loyal supporter of Putin: Hungary is dependent on Russian gas and has also prevented the approchement of the West and Ukraine for years."
When you are right, you are right. You are right, Keshava.
lajosarpad lajosarpad 3/8/2022 02:04
@Arzi an advice: don't use straw man arguments and then people would be less likely to accuse you of using them. For instance, if you think that the West has not contributed to the current crisis, then you could point out that Russia attacked and the west tried to plant defensive forces into Ukraine in order to prevent this. Or, if you think that the West has contributed to the current crisis, but the main person to blame is Putin (a position I would agree with), then you can point out that the West also contributed to this conflict, for example by violating the Minsk agreement, yet, the main responsible is Vladimir Putin and as a matter of fact, it is being investigated now whether he and the Russian army is guilty of war crimes. If they are found guilty (which is very probable in my opinion), then there will be very strong arguments for the position that Putin is one of the worst warmongers of our time.

The point is that whatever is your position, be it one of the two possibilities outlined above or something else, you would do well if you would try to properly understand what the other side says, take the arguments seriously and to try and point out why the other side is wrong according to your opinion with proper arguments.

Answering to something the other person did not say is not a proper argument. Even if you are right, this kind of approach invalidates your points. So, if you want your arguments to be taken seriously, then try not to misrepresent what others have said. It is unavoidable that sometimes you will misrepresent what the other person said, but if that's a rare occurrence, then people will assume that it is an honest mistake. If you put fallacy after fallacy into your arguments, then people will assume that you do that on purpose.
lajosarpad lajosarpad 3/8/2022 01:55
@Arzi when you use straw man arguments, then they might be exposed. A straw man argument is the misrepresentation of the arguments of your opponent in a debate and then attacking your misrepresentation. This is a well-known logical fallacy, so Keshava does not need to talk with me in order to claim that you have committed that fallacy. In our previous discussions you indeed used such fallacies and I exposed them. I will not bring those up, since they are off-topic here and participating in a debate when the other side (you) has used so many fallacies was a waste of time on my part, since I care much more about arguments than fallacies. I'm happy to look into arguments that are disagreeing with my position, but I'm not very motivated in exposing one fallacy after the other. And the fact that in that other thread you have repeatedly and tendenciously used fallacies that were presumably intentional (because it is quite impossible to unintentionally respond to something which was not even partially said), I concluded that it was a waste of time to discuss those things with you. Since later you have displayed better arguments for your positions I decided to give another try to possible discussions with you. Also, it is quite possible that at some point I could also commit a fallacy (unintentionally, of course). If that's exposed, then the right approach is to admit that the claim was fallacious and thank the one who pointed it out. In this particular instance I can see why Keshava claims that you set up straw man arguments. Keshava's point was that the current crisis is the West's fault. Independently of whether he is right or not, it is obvious that for instance Keshava did not claim that Ukrainians separated from the Soviet Union against their will. Yet, you respond to Keshava as if he made that claim.
arzi arzi 3/8/2022 11:04
News:"Ukrainian Armed Forces says Russian Major General Vitaly Gerasimov was killed in fighting near Kharkov.

According to the British Guardian, the Bellingcat group of civilian journalists following the war would have confirmed Gerasimov's death from Russian sources as well."

The second Russian general, not possible. There is no war in Ukraine, according to Putin.
arzi arzi 3/8/2022 10:48
News:"Russia published a list of countries that were “unfriendly” to it - Finland included. The list includes a total of 48 countries or territories."

Are there really this much different nations in the world? Is Antarctic included as these "territories"? All these penguins have made themselves a threat to Russia. Let´s nuke the penguins.
arzi arzi 3/8/2022 10:34
Some inside news : Video discussion between John Daly and ex-US President Donald Trump on the war in Ukraine:" He was my friend. I got along great with him. I said, ‘Vladimir, if you do that (you are attacking Ukraine), we will hit Moscow’. He kind of believed me. It is enough that he believed 5 or 10 percent. He never did that in my day."

To catch a maniac you should have a maniac of your own.
arzi arzi 3/8/2022 07:12
To Keshava:"@Arzi, please don't set up straw men arguments. "

Have you talked much with lajosarpad because that "straw men arguments", are used quite often by you two?

False promises? Hmmm... now it seems that Georgia is also desperately seeking a membership of EU? The way of living by the people in EU means not a false promises but is reality here in EU. If Georgia and Ukraine want that same, where are the false promises? How ever if Russian fears the way of living by the people in EU it might be connected to Russian way of dictatorship by their leaders? Right? Dictatorship is the real problem. The power of the fews. Fearing to lose all that power. Fearing to lose all wealth obtained by theft, fear, criminal activity.

Where are the citizens' rights? Why some small nations have to obey to the criminal activities of a large dictatorship? Because it might start the WW3? Yes, sometimes it feels like that all is lost. Let start the war, any way there are too many people in this world. In 1970 about 4 billion people and 50 years later population has almost double. Yes, I see the point of Putin. He is actually humanitarian dictator.

I haven`t read that book either. I just found a proper text in his writings from internet which suited the current situation in Ukraine.
Keshava Keshava 3/7/2022 09:53
@Arzi, by the way I didn't read the book that you are quoting from. I'm not much of a reader but if I was then perhaps I would not agree with some things in it. However, I did view his whole lecture and I agree with his points in that lecture. If you respond in the comments of his YouTube lecture that will be worth reading.
Keshava Keshava 3/7/2022 09:27
@Arzi, please don't set up straw men arguments. First of all let me state that I don't like Russia's government nor any other authoritarian regime. Also, their invasion of Ukraine may have been a big blunder - we'll see how it plays out. The reason that I agree with the professor that this is the West's fault is they set up Ukraine and Georgia with these false promises that they could one day join NATO even though Russia had unequivocally said that either of those countries joining NATO would be unacceptable to them. What has happened is that Russia has acted to de-stabilize both of those countries so that they could not join NATO (if they become NATO members then Russia is occupying NATO countries and article 5 then comes into play which is WW3) and that is why we have the current mess. Now the West thinks that it can bring Russia to it's knees with economic damage. How has that worked with North Korea? If Russia really believes that this is about their national security then no amount of suffering will cause them to change course - just as German bombing did not bring England to it's knees. Either way, it is very dangerous to make a great nuclear power feel desperate. The solution the professor offers is to freeze NATO in place and agree that the countries bordering Russia stay un-aligned. This is a sane path to avoid a devastating World War in my opinion.
lajosarpad lajosarpad 3/7/2022 02:14
@Quanber let's clarify. I denounce Russia's attack on the Ukraine. But I also denounce the fact that Ukraine has brutally oppressed minorities in the last 8 years.

https://dailynewshungary.com/molotov-cocktail-hurled-hungarians-union-building-ukraine/

As a Hungarian there is no way or circumstance that I would be silent about what Ukraine did against the Hungarian minority. As a human being there is no way or circumstance that I would be silent about what Ukraine did against the Hungarian, Romanian, Polish, Ruthenian and Russian minorities.

The fact that you repeatedly accuse me for being some Russian agent is both flattering and offensive. It is flattering to know that according to you my arguments are so good that a secret service would pay me for them. And it is offensive that according to you I'm serving a country that invaded another. You seem to be very quick and brave in accusing me from behind that nickname. Would you be brave-enough to tell me your real name, so I would know who called me an FSB agent? Thanks!

@Ajeeb007 agreed. I'm not optimistic either about the Russian bravery now that Putin introduced open dictatorship and harsh punishments are being done for dissenting views. And I also agree with you that independently of how reprehensible Karjakin's and Shipov's statements are, if we introduce thought crime as an accepted and punishable phenomenon, then that will be used against dissenting views. Look how quickly and "bravely" Quanber assumes that I'm an FSB agent for having a different opinion. He/she might also accuse you. Or anyone else who does not share Quanber's holy opinion.

@Arzi I agree with you on this one. Karjakin and Shipov obviously supported this aggression. Those who did not oppose it are not necessarily supporters.
arzi arzi 3/7/2022 01:06
News:"Russia wants to evacuate Ukrainians to Russia and Belarus - Ukraine: "Completely immoral proposal"

Nice, first you start the war because of the minority problem. Then you offer to evacuate the majority to Russia or Belarus. No more minority problem.
arzi arzi 3/7/2022 12:43
News: "New Zealand is changing its law because of Russia - closures and a list of 100 people. Following the adoption of the amendment, New Zealand will, for the first time, be able to impose sanctions on another country in complete independence. Until now, New Zealand has only been able to do so when sanctions have been imposed by the UN Security Council."

Not a bad change.
arzi arzi 3/7/2022 11:57
Keshava:"The book, The Tragedy of Great Power Politics by John Mearsheimer: Given the difficulty of determining how much power is enough for today and tomorrow, great powers recognize that the best way to ensure their security is to achieve hegemony now, thus eliminating any possibility of a challenge by another great power. Only a misguided state would pass up an opportunity to be the hegemon in the system because it thought it already had sufficient power to survive."

It seems to be that Professor hit the target? That is happening now in Ukraine. Would you agree?
arzi arzi 3/7/2022 10:46
Keshava:"Why is Ukraine the West's Fault?"

Yes, I can see your point of view. Ukraine, a part of great and historic Russia, has been separated from Russia, against its own will, because of Western propaganda. Of course it is West`s fault that Ukraine wants to join in EU and to separate itself from mother Russian. That is why Russian has started a war against whole Ukraine, to set things right for the minority and forget the majority. Let`s destroy the current majority to have a new majority from the minority. My eyes are now opened.
Keshava Keshava 3/7/2022 09:24
If someone is open to hearing a minority point of view by a real scholar then I invite them to Google
Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring Professor John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago
arzi arzi 3/7/2022 08:36
To dlemper: "Silence means consent. Consent gives support and without widespread support a leader could not persist."

You are both right and wrong. Silence could also mean the fear of death. Silence could also mean NOT to support a leader. To support a leader is saying that in aloud, like for example Karjakin did.
Quanber Quanber 3/7/2022 05:51
The brave decision taken by The Board of the European Chess Union is the right one, and in accordance with what decency and morality ascribe. All chess players who win competitions under the Russian flag will be used by murderous political leaders in Russia and Belarus to support the regimes. In fact, all athletes competing under the Russian flag should be excluded from competitions.
You hear it time and time again in the American debate after a school shooting. Right-wing American lunatics write that if we are to ban the sale of automatic weapons, then we must also ban the sale of cars. Because you can also drive others to death.
In other words, one legitimizes crimes committed with automatic weapons with the fact that other crimes also occur. This raving idiotic argument is now being used by the lajosarpad and the Russian security service.

We can not change decisions made in the past, and they can not be used to legitimize that we should not act now. When the Soviet Union invaded Hungary in 1956, the decision that has now been made would be the right one. The exclusion of Russian chess players under the Russian flag. We are writing the year 2022. We must make decisions about what we can do to stem the murderous invasion of Ukraine here and now. End. Thanks to BECC for showing courage.
Ajeeb007 Ajeeb007 3/7/2022 02:57
The Russian people allowed Stalin, who murdered over 30 million of them, to rule over them for 30 years. I'm not convinced they have the courage and determination to oust their current sociopathic murdering dictator either.
Re FIDE and it's handling of Karjakin and Shipov and other Putin supporters, it's a slippery slope when you begin penalizing people for their political views, deplorable though they are.
Quanber Quanber 3/7/2022 12:37
The more and more raving lajosarp now goes so far as to say that Ukraine is a "failed nation". Lajosarp is here , there and everywhere, trying to bully Ukraine. This is GRU style.

141 nations in the UN have condemned the attack on the free nation Ukraine. Every single one of these nations has formed an opinion about who is the aggressive part. 40 million citizens of Ukraine are fighting like crazy against the occupying power Russia. They would not do that if they did not feel like one people, one nation. The most ferocious defenders of democracy are those who have been denied it.
This proud nation, which has won one gold medal after another in chess, which has some of the best educated scientists in the world, this amazing people, is now being tried for bombing in submission to Russia. The infrastructure is being smashed, civilians are being trapped and starved to death if they do not submit. The limit of criminal acts of war has long since been exceeded. Russia will not accept that Ukraine is looking to the West. Nor would they have done so before with Hungary, Poland or Czechoslovakia. They will constantly decide what other free nations should seek.
Intelligence suggest Putin has already placed smaller atomic bombs on Ukrainian soil. They are located at captured nuclear power plants to obscure the extra radiation. They will be triggered if the Russians are forced to withdraw from Ukraine, and Putins excuse will be that Ukraine forces hit the nuclear power plant. Putin is a gangster, a murderer, a cruel, wicked man for whom human life carries no sanctity or importance.

The only good news is that this is the endgame for Putin. The proud russian people have had enough.
DynamicStardust DynamicStardust 3/6/2022 05:10
The velocity and ferocity of the abuse of soft-power by the West in EU and international organizations vindicates Putin's point. This unprecedented political overreach by West will galvanize the global community, minus the West's sycophants, to create an alternate world order of commerce and cooperation. The West will slowly but surely be sidelined. Putin's genius is rightly guessing his adversary's overreaction and forcing West into a Zugzwang.
jakaiden jakaiden 3/6/2022 04:48
While we are at it, ban the US too because of Joe Biden's border crisis and Afghanistan pull out.
lajosarpad lajosarpad 3/6/2022 01:03
So, if we accept that Russian players are to be discriminated against (unless they have a certain opinion), then we should erase all games of Soviet players, since the Soviet Union waged many wars, oppressed many people, killed millions. We should also erase all games by Alekhine or Bogolyubov. And by Fischer. And all Chinese players for the sake of Tibet and the Uighurs. Frankly, there is no chess player who didn't have a reprehensible opinion at some point of life and many chess players represented countries that did egregious deeds at the time. So, the safest of all is to erase every game and everyone.

Or, we could be normal and understand that individuals are only responsible for what they personally did.

"Silence means consent"

is the exact phrase the guardian of some women say when they force them into a marriage. No. Silence does not mean consent. Silence means that the person did not voice an opinion. Denouncing people for not standing up against a warmonger is the "whoever is not with us is against us" mentality. A totalitarian mentality. Let the people be and sanction the warmonger.
Jacob woge Jacob woge 3/6/2022 10:14
“Silence means consent.“ ...

... in a democracy, where speech is free.

In a state where the government has an ongoing game of whack-a-mole towards dissidents, silence does not mean consent.

And that is exactly when speaking up is worthy of praise. You could keep quiet and stay out of hammer’s way, but you don’t.

When silence is consent, and in some situations it is, voicing your opinion may become societally enforced, and therefore not praiseworthy. Instead, you get scorned for keeping quiet.

That is not the case here.
dlemper dlemper 3/6/2022 07:26
As stated in the declaration, a player can change their federation. Who does a government represent ? Aliens ? Ultimately the government represents the people. If you disagree with your government admittedly the choices are difficult. Some courageous Russian players denounced the invasion. Silence means consent. Consent gives support and without widespread support a leader could not persist. The Ukrainians cannot stop their suffering by changing federations. Is their right to life & a home any less than chess players who can play with a federation change ?